TheForgottenAngel Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I'm beginning to believe that they are out at least one on a list. However I'm tempted to bring a pair and a contemptor mortis as well. How do you full your heavy support slots with a sicaran? Dual predator executioners +Sicaran? Dual Sicaran + ??? Discuss! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cod Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hmmm well I had my Betrayal list heavy support slots full with the following, before the Sicaran came out: 2 x Predators (1 dakka, 1 executioner) 3 x Whirlwinds 1 x Vindicator They fitted my mech list (Ironwing) fine. The Sicaran Venator is the start of my smaller second FOC, which will be a rapid response team kind of thing, designed specifically to take out enemy armour, with everything moving fast. The problem I now find, should I add a second Sicaran (battle tank). Strangely was thinking a contemptor mortis in a drop pod would be a good addition also. Oh it's fun changing up one's lists based on the cool figures coming out! Cod Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 The problem I see with the Sicaran is it takes a Heavy Slot. One single tank. In a game where you can take squadrons of tanks. With no transport capacity at all. I suppose if you're running an army that relies on speed or something, it could be really good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Yeah, the biggest weakness of the tank is it taking up a heavy slot all to itself unable to squadron competing with things like the Spartan. I've got one and I love it, but there are too many toys in HH for me to want another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Spartans don't need slots as long as you take terminators to ride in them. Alas, I have 7 HS choices, and half the stuff that takes my eye is also HS, including the Sicaran. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 As far as answering the question, there are no auto include units. There can't be. All said, there will way over 200 different lists that can be built if they keep up the pace with the rights of wars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 For me it would be auto-include due to the fact that it looks freaking awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Awesome firepower, but it's still a kinda fragile tank. From the front, it's no tougher than a Predator. Single tank per heavy support is a bit of a drawback in 30k. Autocannon Predators are actually a pretty good bargain in comparison, they're not quite as good in all respects (fire on the move/mobility, firepower, and protection), but it's a difference of degrees. Two of them with lascannon sponsons is 250 points, but it brings 6 HP of AV13, 4 lascannons, and 8 autocannon shots. A Sicaran with Lascannon sponsons is 175 points, 3 HP of AV13, fast, 2 lascannons and 6 TL rending autocannon shots. The rending autocannon is a great advantage, but so is having twice the lascannons and hull points, and not losing everything to a single explodes result. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Spartans are Dedicated Troop Transports for Terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Which doesn't help you if you don't field termies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I meant they are not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I meant they are not. Not dedicated transports? Page 196 says they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Of Massacre? That would be the issue, I don't have my copy on me :( Edit: just checked Betrayal, you're right. Only ever noticed Phobos Land Raider... That changes everything. I'd still rather take a Land Raider Squadron or even just Predators... The Sicaran suffers from the same problem the Vindicator does, and that's the fact that it uses an entire slot for one tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I hadn't spotted it either until fairly recently. Anything that takes some pressure off Heavy Support is huge. I'm really hoping that the VIIth somehow get access to Vindicator squadrons. I want to field 4 Vindicators and 2 Medusas (I'm partial to ordnance). I've also always loved the idea of a 10 man Volkite Culverin Heavy Support Squad (doing the math on their damage output makes me feel dizzy - marines in 3+ cover - 10 dead, imperial guard out of cover - 40 dead). Maybe if we get to take Heavy Support Squads as troops for our unique Rite of War like the XIVth do. If Sicarans were in Fast Attack I'd definitely go for one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I thought Sicarans were supposed to be Fast Attack originally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 That would have been fantastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I hadn't spotted it either until fairly recently. Anything that takes some pressure off Heavy Support is huge. I'm really hoping that the VIIth somehow get access to Vindicator squadrons. I want to field 4 Vindicators and 2 Medusas (I'm partial to ordnance). I've also always loved the idea of a 10 man Volkite Culverin Heavy Support Squad (doing the math on their damage output makes me feel dizzy - marines in 3+ cover - 10 dead, imperial guard out of cover - 40 dead). Maybe if we get to take Heavy Support Squads as troops for our unique Rite of War like the XIVth do. If Sicarans were in Fast Attack I'd definitely go for one. You could always go for 3 Vindis and a Typhon, the grand-daddy of ordnance. That VC heavy squad is deadly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3566895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 It's such a beautiful tank and would look amazing in a dark angels arsenal. I'm really moving this threads direction though as it is really bringing up great points. I may do a squadron of predator executioners supporting a Spartan full of CCW veterans. My terminators are going to be autocannon wielding objective holders/assaulters. Tempted to make a Volkite Culverin Heavy Support Squad. Sounds brutal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3567652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 It's such a beautiful tank and would look amazing in a dark angels arsenal. I'm really moving this threads direction though as it is really bringing up great points. I may do a squadron of predator executioners supporting a Spartan full of CCW veterans. My terminators are going to be autocannon wielding objective holders/assaulters. Tempted to make a Volkite Culverin Heavy Support Squad. Sounds brutal! How about you "suggest" our idea of the sicaran mounted volkite cascades to your buddies in the higher up? ;) Pretty please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3568063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Actually there is no need for the suggestion (the newest Achilles fills the role) but I could see another sicaran soon being brainstormed. It's such a cool tank. PS: what higher ups? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3568085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Actually there is no need for the suggestion (the newest Achilles fills the role) but I could see another sicaran soon being brainstormed. It's such a cool tank. PS: what higher ups? Lol maybe my bad? I just thought you had friends in high places in forgeworld :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3568094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 A Dark Angel never tells Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3568097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Tell them to make Vindicators in squads of 1-3... it's killing me that the new one looks so nice but it's nigh useless as a single choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3568126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 To add to the OP's query... I'm actually thinking of purchasing a tank for a small HH contingent (I'm not one for tanks in 40k) My question then would be ... if you could take only one (1) single tank only in a 1-2k list, would it be the Sicaran, or something else, and why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3568194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 i haven't played a 30k game yet and i didn't like tanks in 40k, but the sicaran was my first tank purchase for 30k (just ordered the spartan today) and one of my first purchases overall for 30k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285462-are-sicarans-auto-include/#findComment-3568228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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