Reede Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Whilst on temporary assignment with my pack to a tropical planet I was forced to spend some time in the seedy underbelly of the common men there. In this situation Russ and the Allfather smiled upon me as I beat these heretics at their own games, taking the spoils of precious materials with which I'm hoping the Mechancius will reward our company with great machines of war to take to the battlefield. Seeing as our air superiority has taken a great hit after this latest winter I am pondering what would be of the greatest use. The Fire Raptor certainly caught the glint off my fangs, but alas it still leaves our skies rather undefended. The Storm Eagle seems very nice, but it cost compared to the Storm Raven and abilities makes me kind of wary. Not to mention is capacity is almost rather... unfortunate as it'd be damn hard to actually fill it up, making the lowest point games you can play with it seem like ~1750 (at least if you want to use it to it's fullest potential) . What I wouldn't give for it to be able to hold two different units >< The Caestus assault ram, while the rules for it seem the best, I honestly despise the look of the model. Lastly, whilst not legal I was thinking of just saying screw it and getting a Storm Raven. I like the overall look of the model, and what you can do with it is just rather insane. What do you guys think? Any of them seem like the best option. I was just thinking of waiting till our supposed upcoming codex update and seeing if the Raven finally gets introduced, or at least we're given something useful. As much as I like the Storm Eagle, it just doesn't seem to stack up to the Raven, which in my opinion gets more done for less of a cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Michael Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Love my storm eagle, but your right for the cost use only in larger games. Caestus is worthless against other fliers, an the storm raven is not legal for us wolves unless allied. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3569346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I use Blood Angels allies, a Death Company Squad led by a Chaplain in a Stormraven, they represent a Wolf Priest leading Wulfen inside well a Stormraven. It's a nice, compact allied contingent that adds a nice flyer and heavy hitting squad to my force when I need it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3569427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangTC Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'm 2 pods away from a nice null deployment list with stormwing and 5 pods. I think it will be good. It might be about 500 points for the winged element but they bring your anti-tank/flier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3570817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Hold of for a few more months until the codex drops, that would be my advice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3570821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteridder Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I use my Fire raptor, to until now I got good results :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3571390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Id probably go or a fire raptor, i like the model, and even though it doesnt have the greatest anti air, its a good all rounder, and looks like it gets to roll a lot of dice when shooting - which im started to get addicted to with heavy bolter long fang squads :) For anti air - Swap out its quad bolters for TL autocannons and it should pose a threat to other fliers (or just deepstrike it behind a flyer and unleash 7x twin linked strength 6 shots!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3571425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrogzc Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I would like GW/FW releasing a space marine air superiority fighter. I have Storm Eagle and probably I'll buy Fire Raptor, both excelent miniatures, but they don't fit the army very well for it's cost (eagle) or it's role (I think raptor is more air-ground oriented) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3571480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 alternatively you could ally in an inquisitor and some henchmen, riding a valkyrie, or an armoured battlaion consisting of 2 leman russ exterminators, painted up in space wolves colours and a fast attack coice consisting of either a vendetta or a vulture, and even a thunderbolt, a lightning or an avenger as a heavy support slot! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3571583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reede Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 Aye, certainly a possibility, but like many of our brothers, i'm of the mindset a full wolves army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3572329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 alternatively you could ally in an inquisitor and some henchmen, riding a valkyrie, or an armoured battlaion consisting of 2 leman russ exterminators, painted up in space wolves colours and a fast attack coice consisting of either a vendetta or a vulture, and even a thunderbolt, a lightning or an avenger as a heavy support slot! I'm debating using storm wing or an inquisitor with 2-3 valks. The fluff and campaign for my GC would work well with either/both. I'd paint my stormwing Relictors colors and would alos use it for that army, so it would not be a waste if the wolves came out with some nice flyer options later this year. Just dont know how well the stormwing is doing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3573328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 alternatively you could ally in an inquisitor and some henchmen, riding a valkyrie, or an armoured battlaion consisting of 2 leman russ exterminators, painted up in space wolves colours and a fast attack coice consisting of either a vendetta or a vulture, and even a thunderbolt, a lightning or an avenger as a heavy support slot! I'm debating using storm wing or an inquisitor with 2-3 valks. The fluff and campaign for my GC would work well with either/both. I'd paint my stormwing Relictors colors and would alos use it for that army, so it would not be a waste if the wolves came out with some nice flyer options later this year. Just dont know how well the stormwing is doing? Lord Ragnarok, the issue with the Stormwing appears to be the role for which it is built to be: anti flyer and anti armor, or missile platform. If the former, TLLC on all three; if the latter, then it's the best missiles one can put on the thing at that time. That said, the TLLC flyers in a Stormwing should be a bit stronger, given the dual roles coverage of, as stated, anti flyer and anti armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3573339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 alternatively you could ally in an inquisitor and some henchmen, riding a valkyrie, or an armoured battlaion consisting of 2 leman russ exterminators, painted up in space wolves colours and a fast attack coice consisting of either a vendetta or a vulture, and even a thunderbolt, a lightning or an avenger as a heavy support slot! I'm debating using storm wing or an inquisitor with 2-3 valks. The fluff and campaign for my GC would work well with either/both. I'd paint my stormwing Relictors colors and would alos use it for that army, so it would not be a waste if the wolves came out with some nice flyer options later this year. Just dont know how well the stormwing is doing? Lord Ragnarok, the issue with the Stormwing appears to be the role for which it is built to be: anti flyer and anti armor, or missile platform. If the former, TLLC on all three; if the latter, then it's the best missiles one can put on the thing at that time. That said, the TLLC flyers in a Stormwing should be a bit stronger, given the dual roles coverage of, as stated, anti flyer and anti armor. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3573367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 alternatively you could ally in an inquisitor and some henchmen, riding a valkyrie, or an armoured battlaion consisting of 2 leman russ exterminators, painted up in space wolves colours and a fast attack coice consisting of either a vendetta or a vulture, and even a thunderbolt, a lightning or an avenger as a heavy support slot! I'm debating using storm wing or an inquisitor with 2-3 valks. The fluff and campaign for my GC would work well with either/both. I'd paint my stormwing Relictors colors and would alos use it for that army, so it would not be a waste if the wolves came out with some nice flyer options later this year. Just dont know how well the stormwing is doing? Lord Ragnarok, the issue with the Stormwing appears to be the role for which it is built to be: anti flyer and anti armor, or missile platform. If the former, TLLC on all three; if the latter, then it's the best missiles one can put on the thing at that time. That said, the TLLC flyers in a Stormwing should be a bit stronger, given the dual roles coverage of, as stated, anti flyer and anti armor. Thanks. No problem; in the thread, "Adeptus Astartes Stormwing Formation" I did a little back and forth comparison of the Fire Raptor and the Stormwing on page four. It basically turns out that a Stormwing with TLLC is the better for anti air and anti armor; the Fire Raptor is anti light armor and anti troops due to volume of fire and the Str of its shots. The variables of course being the dice when rolled, the raw potentials indicate that a Stormwing with three TLLC is strong on shooting; the downside is that the two Stormtalons are going to be rather easy for the enemy to take down, which is a bit of an issue overall, considering their points values to get them. At around 500 points or so including extra armor, and a Fire Raptor being around 250, well... it's what does what. A Storm Eagle is a pretty solid weapons platform, however, the number of targets in a Stormwing is still a plus. There's a lot of detail work in this discussion, hope this all helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3573482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I would think the stormwing or other anti flyer strategy would be better than the fire raptor since we do pretty well with anti infantry already and our issues are with flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3573557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varcolaci Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I have had decent success with my Fire Raptor. The Avengers will be ok to damage rear armor of Valks, the independent turrets (go for auto cannons for anti-air) are not the best but it lets you engage multiple fliers at once and you are not limited to just the forward arc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285624-try-to-decide-on-a-flier-for-my-wolves/#findComment-3574700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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