Molokai Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Ok, so my copy of betrayal is enroute as I type. Very excited to say the least. I am doing pre heresy death guard. I'm just wondering (as I'm quite impatient) if the mortis contemptor is available in the betrayal list? Does it have sky fire and interceptor? I'm mainly asking because I'm trying to plan a rough sketch of what my army will look like. I don't want fliers or static AA platforms in my list as I find them unfluffy. Whereas, with the mortis contemptors I could stick to the theme of boots on the ground and shore up some AA capability at the same time. Cheers Jamo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The space marine legion list is in betrayal. Massacre adds units that can be taken in betrayal's list. Unfortunately only regular Contemptors are in Betrayal while the Contemptor-Mortis is in Massacre (and only gains skyfire/interceptor if it does not move or run in it's previous turn) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3573995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Thankyou Sanct. I was aware the legion list was in betrayal, just wasn't sure on the mortis. Oh well I guess that means I have to get massacre too. Beauty! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3574001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Aye but you can't get take them in triples/talons - 1 contemptor mortis is it's own elite choice... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Cheaper and more effective for a hyperios missile battery Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 How so? A hyperios has, on the whole, less shots/less accuracy than a Contemptor-Mortis. Also, it has none of the durability too. So, how is it more effective? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You can't take more for less I would rather take 3 batteries utilising my FA slots then taking up my elites slots Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I guess so lol. Yeah, that's the problem with the Mortis - only 1 per slot :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Or 3 contemptors for 1 slot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 A battery of 3 Tarantula Sentry platforms with Hyperios Launchers would clock in at 150 points, so it's cheaper than a TLLC Contemptor-Mortis by 35 points. As far as durability goes, the Tarantulas are pretty soft, I wouldn't count on them sticking around very long - but ideally, they'll have gotten their shots off by turn 2 and done their job. As for their job... 3 BS3 TL Hyperios Missles vs AV12 2.25 hits, 1.125 glance+ (0.75 pen), 0.125 chance of explosion ...vs AV11 2.25 hits, 1.5 glance+ (1.125 pen), 0.187 chance of explosion ...vs AV10 2.25 hits, 1.875 glance+ (1.5 pen), 0.25 chance of explosion Compared to a Contemptor-Mortis with Lascannons 2 BS5 TLLC vs AV121.944 hits, 1.296 glance+ (0.972 pen), 0.324 chance of explosion...vs AV111.944 hits, 1.620 glance+ (1.296 pen), 0.432 chance of explosion...vs AV101.944 hits, 1.944 glance+ (1.620 pen), 0.540 chance of explosion Cheaper? Yes. Better? No. The Autocannon-equipped CM is also only a few points more expensive than the Hyperios Platforms, and still performs better. The big advantage that the Hyperios Platforms offer is that they don't take up a valuable elites slot. All of this is beside the point. Brother Molokai specified that he didn't want any static gun platforms in his list, as he didn't feel they were fluffy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for the rundown on the math kitwulfen. Good to know the damage output numbers. So is the lascannon the preferred loadout for AA duties? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for the rundown on the math kitwulfen. Good to know the damage output numbers. So is the lascannon the preferred loadout for AA duties? It's my preference. It's the most expensive, but it offers usefulness against AV13/14 if there are no air targets, and will be strong against AV12 flyers. The Kheres loadout is also strong, still good against AV13/14, can be good against infantry, but I don't like the shorter range (at least not when it comes to making sure I get interceptor shots). The Autocannon loadout will still do well against AV12 and is the cheapest of the three options, but I like the additional threat that the Lascannons can provide to big MCs and AV14. If you think you've already got your anti-AV14 covered and are scraping for points, the Autocannon loadout will do the job. We had an in-depth discussion on the relative strengths of all the choices here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mortis Contemptors also just look sexy. Reason enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 If I could field 2 in one slot I would gladly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 @kitwulfen cheers for the link mate. @Crusader Weber yeah I hear you on the sexy factor. It's definitely one of the main reasons I want a couple. @Jaspcat it is a shame about the FOC allowance. But if I run the pride rite I'll be able to take some termie units as troops to help alleviate the problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3575809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Commissar Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A Mortis Contemptor with dual Kheres is cheaper than a normal Contemptor with the same but you cant take them as a talon. Unless Im going dread heavy though Id usually just go with the Mortis Contemptor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3577869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Whoa whoa whoa! Rule 21 of the Horus Heresy: Thou shalt not concern thyself with math hammer. Only the appropriateness of a unit choice within thy army's background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285840-mortis-contemptors-in-betrayal/#findComment-3578265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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