Aegnor Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Still much better than Robert Jordan in the Wheel of Time series. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3582234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 99% less spanking fetish at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3582400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (How would anyone in M31 know what an extinct Terran big cat sounds like, anyway?)That does ping me too. I found an example of it in a Star Wars novel I was reading last night. I explain it away by thinking that the word must have survived even if the species didn't. There's probably Baar'se White Leopards in the galaxy or something. Sanguinius wears something like a Cheetah pelt, so who knows! Well who knows what the colonists took to the stars and introduced to their new ecosystems. Just because Terra no longer has any wildlife does not mean that the other planets don't have species originally from earth. Still much better than Robert Jordan in the Wheel of Time series. Well even Dark Angels don't fuss that much over whether their dresses robes show too much or too little cleavage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3582727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 "Ragnar Blackmane tugged on his braid so hard that he nearly pulled it out. Typical of a wool-headed man!" :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3582889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You know what they call it when an author's death does more for their work than their life? Pulling a Jordan. It was astounding to read the last three books of that series, with an author who isn't incapable of depicting gender relations. It really makes me wonder about his wife and/or mother. Something must have been going on there for him to go "For the duration of their interaction with men, all women are feminazis with low IQs. For the duration of all their interaction with women, all men are graceless dyslexics. Regardless of their depictions elsewhere in the books, no female shall be tolerant of male authority and no male shall be smarter than his female counterpart, but only during those times in which they interact. The more they feel for each other, the more this becomes exacerbated between them. They may continue being real ing human beings when no longer speaking to, within the vicinity of, or on the subject of the opposite gender." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3582947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Another one i've noticed is when psykers use their powers and the air is described as having a greasy quality. Â This doesn't bother me since this is what is supposed to happen. Sure if they bring it up literally every single time any psyker does anything it gets annoying. But every few chapters it helps reinforce the feeling of what is going on in the minds of the characters. The point is to immerse us into the world being crafted by the writer. Saying how something feels lets you know how you should react to it and feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3582983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gezabutla Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 This is a little more directed at those small excerpts and stories written in codices and what not,"But at a great cost"Seriously if the Imperium ever battles the forces of Chaos and wins, it's at a great cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3583038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenhold Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Plasteel and rockcrete have been around for a few years and are in-universe items rather than phrases used by authors to describe something. For me I haven't (until seeing this thread now) noticed any phrases over-repeating themselves, personally charnel house gives a good point of refference as to what the scene actually looks like. I was referring to the repetitive use of the exact phrase "plasteel and rockcrete". In a number of books it irritated me. The first time I read "wet leopard growl" I laughed out loud while imagining the character asking "Was that a wet leopard growl or did you have a bean burrito for lunch." More recently whenever I reach a battle sequence I wonder whose chainsword will be clogged with gobbets of muscle. Off topic: The word chainsword shows as a spelling error. Not like its an integral part of the forum name or anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3583148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Off topic: The word chainsword shows as a spelling error. Not like its an integral part of the forum name or anything.Just add that word to your spell checker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3583327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Within Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 "Incandescent", everything is fricking incandescent. It drives me up the wall whenever I see it because it's been in every novel I've read by GW (I think), and it's used to describe just about every 'future-y' explosion of weapon fire going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3583766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 note to myself, copy past this entire topic and edit my alternative heresy story work. No........wet......lepards....or...meat..in... chainsword.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3583982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The gobbets of muscle thing depends on the time it's been used... Personally I think that description just goes hand in hand with any description of Gorechild. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3583983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Possibly my pet hate is almost EVERY discription of a Crozius Arcanum being: "...also his badge of office".....-sigh- Â Oh and also the use of "Throne" as a profanity Preheresy...give me strength... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3585814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Word Bearers books, "whoreson" gets used very often... Â Bolters are always "barking", that word just doesn't capture what a bolter would sound like I think. Â Sword are often swung "in a glittering arc" Â Foes are often cut "from head to groin" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3585914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sgt. Steine Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Anathema is over used IMO.  And "coppery tang, taste of copper or some mention of copper when referring to blood in the mouth, and of course, for all intents and purposes seemed to pop up a lot in some of the early UM novels and the early 30k stuff... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Oh and also the use of "Throne" as a profanity Preheresy...give me strength... Â Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Have any of you ever stood close to a big cat when it growled? Like, say, a leopard? Or a lion? Â A few years back I visited a friend in Tampa and went to the Big Cat Rescue place. The closest we were allowed to get to their big lion was about 100 feet because he was seriously pissed off at something and was doing making this sound over and over that started out as a sharp roar and turned into this rumbling, wet growl on the end. Not wet as in drooling saliva, but like you could hear fluid in his throat while he was growling. From 100 feet or so, I could feel that growl vibrating in my teeth, my diaphragm, and worst of all, it was like it reached into my inner ears and tugged at this buried instinct to turn and run for my life. Â It was terrifying, even knowing how far away it was and that he was secured behind a high, sturdy fence. It didn't pull me out of the moment when I was reading PB; it made me shiver. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Â Oh and also the use of "Throne" as a profanity Preheresy...give me strength... Â Nothing wrong with that. Â How so? Â The 40k Golden Throne is a secret to everyone, and it's not like the Emperor is well known for hanging out in a throne room in his palace. Â What's the source in popular pre-heresy Imperial culture that would give the word 'throne' enough weight that it'd be a popular curse word? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It's the symbol of the Emperor's authority, like in medieval England they would say "By the Crown". It probably doesn't relate to the Golden Throne, but the Emperor being Emperor and all is bound to have a normal Throne, or at least be depicted on one in promotional posters and the like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosco Toppings Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It's the symbol of the Emperor's authority, like in medieval England they would say "By the Crown". It probably doesn't relate to the Golden Throne, but the Emperor being Emperor and all is bound to have a normal Throne, or at least be depicted on one in promotional posters and the like. It's a bit weak though. They should be saying things like "Emperor's balls!" or something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akylas Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I've heard a couple defenses of even legionaries swearing by the throne before that seemed to make some sense, and no doubt ADB has some perfectly sensible reasoning for it to be done. However, when I started reading the Horus Heresy series it would always take me out of the moment to see that curse. It just sounds quasi religious to me and that strikes me as odd in a setting where perpetuals apologize for saying "by God". It just feels very 40k.  If it's intended to be a secular curse I'd be curious if there's any real world precedent for that kind of thing in monarchies. I know I'd get some odd looks if I swore "by the Presidential China Room!".  Edit: Just read the post above mentioning swearing "by the crown" so there's at least one real world example of something similar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It's the symbol of the Emperor's authority, like in medieval England they would say "By the Crown". It probably doesn't relate to the Golden Throne, but the Emperor being Emperor and all is bound to have a normal Throne, or at least be depicted on one in promotional posters and the like. Â That's the exact example I was thinking of, too. It's a reference to his authority, not to the Golden Throne, which I guess sounds less odd in a nation where we have a queen on our money as well as scientists. But if you look at various similar curses now and throughout history, it's not a stretch at all. "Shiver my timbers". "Damn it." "Blimey." "Strewth." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014   It's the symbol of the Emperor's authority, like in medieval England they would say "By the Crown". It probably doesn't relate to the Golden Throne, but the Emperor being Emperor and all is bound to have a normal Throne, or at least be depicted on one in promotional posters and the like.It's a bit weak though. They should be saying things like "Emperor's balls!" or something  Only if they are uncouth, lower class citizens. The Astartes are like nobles. As such they swear like nobles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Â It just sounds quasi religious to me and that strikes me as odd in a setting where perpetuals apologize for saying "by God". It just feels very 40k. Â It is also a setting where Tech Priests will correct people talking about the Emperor with "You mean the Omnissiah, avatar of the Machine God." Â Not to mention the Catherics still running around (Hetnando Bronzi the soldier and Navid Murza the remembrancer, for a start), and a whole Legion of hairy Marines who won't shut up about Allfathers, wights, spirits, and so on. Â Honestly, if it wasn't for Monarchia and "The Last Church" I'd say the Crusade takes the Imperial Truth about as seriously as the average American citizen takes the "In God We Trust" on our money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 A description thats been bothering me recently, not so much that it's over used more that it doesn't seem to fit, is marines shoulder guards 'hanging loose' or being shot off. I just don't really see how those huge slabs of ceremite could be loosened, easily, without any external fastenings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285996-writers-over-using-phrasing/page/3/#findComment-3586448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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