Mazryonh Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 NOTE: I already know that some Traitor Primarchs ascend to Daemonhood during the Horus Heresy and fight in some of the late battles of that epic conflict. Now that the Traitor Primarchs have gotten some much needed fleshing-out of their backstories through the HH novels and campaign books from Forge World, is there any chance that GW could ask the HH creative teams to make new novels/campaigns featuring the Daemon Primarchs, since as Daemon Princes they're immortal and can return to haunt their enemies again and again? I would certainly like to see the Daemon Primarchs' stories fleshed out after the Horus Heresy. With the exception of Angron who smashed up the Imperium real good during the First War of Armageddon, most of the Daemon Primarchs have fallen prey to "Orcus on his throne" syndrome, in other words for all their power they haven't done much for the (back)story. I would think that now with the new fans of the Traitor Primarchs from the HH novels and campaign books, there'd be more demand to see what the Daemon Primarchs did after the Horus Heresy. I'm sure those stories would make for very nice campaigns in and of themselves. What do the other users here think about this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyray Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Would be a nice addition, possibly to an apoc game or two, since I cannot see how the high and mighty daemon Primarch's would not sully themselves with the skirmish over Backwater IV. Epic used to have the Primarch models a long time ago so its not a far fetched idea in all honesty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I agree, with the new "Mortarian's Heart" audiobook coming out it mentions the ENTIRE chapter of grey Knights gathering as one. What an opportunity to nail two birds with one stone and create a campaign book that introduces some new GK units from forgeworld, and some DeathGuard/Nurgle Daemons/plaguehosts/zombies etc. plus if you make it part of a wider campaign could even include others also eg. after all if there is a chaos incursion of one kind no doubt every-chaos-bandit and his warhound would jump on the bandwagon and rush on down to the material universe to grab a bargain on skulls for the skull throne ;) A concommitant strike by Lorgar and his Word Bearers, or maybe expanding on other events such as the massacre of the regents of Terra leading to the Age of Apostasy actually being caused by Alpha Legion sleeper cells ;) after all there are TEN THOUSAND years of space and time largely unexplored by GW, it would be cool to see the legions actually doing SOMETHING and playing some sort of role in creating the current 40k setting besides just the Horus Heresy. Alternatively a campaign inside the eye of terror between different chaos factions would be awesome, or even the scouring. eg Skallathrax Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Wouldn't it be a bit little samey though? If it was from the POV of the DP then it would be way cool, but if not then they are too powerful to use as an antagonist. Every story would be either be the Grey Knights or an entire Chapter vs a DP, because really what else would have a chance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'd rather the traitor primarchs be left alone as whenever they are in a space marine book they are used as a beatstick to make the main character look better in an epic display of Space Marine fanwank. *cough, Draigo, cough, Battle of The Fang* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Oh, I don't know. A tale of doom and woe could be appropriate. A company of Space Marines, a regiment of Guardsmen. Actually, screw that. I want to see a Daemon Primarch take on some xenos. Orks being out-WAAAGH!ed by Angron, a Craftworld personally sacrificed to Slaanesh by Fulgrim himself, Magnus outplotting the the ever loving :cuss out of some Alphariuses, Mortarion carving the names of a billion plagues onto the dual hearts of a certain Grey Knight before casting him upon Titan . . . Okay, so half xenos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Apparently Epic and Gothic are coming back as expansion games to the HH. Fingers crossed for a Gloriana and Abyss class model! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would love to see Gothic! not epic, i really hope that has had its day and is over now. In response to the comments about entire chapters being required vs a DP, true, but dont you agree it provides an awesome way to flesh out the stories during the subsequent 10000 years. and it could also detail and explain the entire disappearances of certain chapters etc. I dunno, i just think there are fantastic opportunities to use these big players (fulgrim, Mortarion, Magnus etc) to really create awesome campaign books. also where is the source about gothic/epic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 With the DP as the main character sure. There are already a lot of novels with anti-heroes, Malus Darkblade, the Night Lords series, Iron Warriors etc, so we know it works. Who wouldn't want to see Daemon Perturabo annihilating some random Ultramarine successor Chapter? But Perturabo slaughtering millions and almost winning until the last minute the GK arrive and banish him, nah. In conclusion, for me anyway: DP v Imperium Imperium v DP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 We're getting something better - ADB writing the history of Chaos post heresy focused on Abaddon (as you yourself have said Aaron, no pressure). The daemon-primarchs have moved beyond such petty concerns as the Imperial and what occurs in mortal realms. Their primary interest now is the endless struggle within chaos in the Warp itself. That's why Abaddon has never accepted the patronage of a single deity or the gift of daemon-prince-dom. Doing so would inevitably lead to substituting his objectives for those of his patron, and he ain't finished with the Imperial just yet-thank-you-very-much. Given they're about to launch a major new series emphasising that Abaddon is the ultimate big bad from chaos from the Imperium's perspective, too much of the Primaries running around might undermine that a bit as well. That said, there's still more stuff in the est fluff to flesh out. Fulgrim killing Guilliman for instance. (edit: Damn you auto-correct. Fulcrum kills Guillotine? Sounds like a bad episode of Gladitors) Also, some clashes between Abaddon and the daemon-primarchs would be pretty awesome to see as Abs establishes himself as the chosen of Chaos. Edit: apologies for the many many typos in this post. The auto-correct servitor in my phone appears to be malfunctioning, no doubt due to Alpha Legion sabotage. I've terminated the servitor and replaced it with a fresh unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarSpirit Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would love to see a fight between fulcrum and guillotine .It could be great to see some stories about the DP primarchs, but not too much, as i agree with aegnor, main focus afrer the scouring is abbadon rise to power *Darn, i also have a faulty servitor unit, who's this abbadin guy ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3580625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostclaw222 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 ADB handled Angron well in Emperor's Gift. But then, Angron post-ascension is, well, incarnate murder. He literally is a beatstick. Inchoate rage, bloodthirsty carnage, personified in a titanic warp-wrought chassis layered over a primarch that was already twisted by the Nails. Not knocking ADB, but dropping Angron into a battle with Wolves and Grey Knights on Armageddon was likely fairly easy. Dropping one of the more subtle Daemon Primarchs into a post-Heresy story, particularly in M41, could be a lot more difficult. Not just because it could very likely take more than an entire chapter of marines and Inquisitorial support to stop him, but because these are honest-to-gosh millennial demi-god intellects that have been marinating in the warp. The primarchs were transcendent even in M31, and difficult for mortals to even imagine and interact with. What happens when you add ten thousand years of living in the Eye and mainlining your patron god 24/7/365? The result is likely beyond the ken of mortal men. The Daemon Primarchs are in fact quite likely engaged in the eternal struggle within Chaos itself. They're huge power pieces, sure, but you think Nurgle is going to give Morty a few decades off and just hope that one of the other Four doesn't take advantage of that while Morty's working off a grudge in the mortal realm? And even if it does happen, the majority of the old Legions are fragmented. Even the Black Legion lost a good bulk to warbands in the aftermath of Horus's death. And Abaddon surely isn't going to just hand them the reins, so there's another power struggle there. Sure, we might see something like Armageddon I at some point, where a Daemon Primarch leads a single-god force out of the Eye on a rampage. But look how Armageddon I turned out. Angron was expelled from the materium. He was destroyed and had his consciousness flung back into the warp. That cannot be something that doesn't have repercussions on Angron's power or Khorne's. There's a risk-versus-reward there, even for someone as single-minded as those two. I think we'll see Daemonic Primarchs aplenty in the Heresy and (if rumors are true) the Scouring series which will follow. But in M41? I think it'd take the clock actually striking midnight, and a few of the remaining good primarchs showing up, etc, etc...which isn't going to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The Emperor's Gift was just a retelling of something that had already happened. Angron fought the Wolves and Grey Knights in the First War for Armageddon long before A D-B became a BL author. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Then, stories with the Daemon Primarchs, by M41 don't have to follow the "Primarch comes to a world - wrecks face - is defeated" pattern. We know AD-B is writing an hopefully long series covering the history of the Black Legion and the tale of Abaddon himself. And we also know that the Despoiler met the Primarchs in the Eye, at least once before the 13th Black Crusade. So that will most likely be interesting stuff to witness. That cannot be something that doesn't have repercussions on Angron'spower or Khorne's. There's a risk-versus-reward there, even for someoneas single-minded as those two. Don't know. Considering how Daemons actually work, it's not much of a deal. They get mocked by other Daemons when they arrive in the Warp and that's pretty much it. Even the Black Legion lost a good bulk to warbands in the aftermath of Horus's death. You mean the Sons of Horus. In the end, campaigns and books in the Eye could offer something different and cool. But I'm still waiting for a FW book on a Black Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 FW won't be doing imperial armor books anymore. They will be doing supplements. Their main focus will be HH stuff. Can't blame em. Not like a BC book would be more interesting than the Horus Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 FW won't be doing imperial armor books anymore. They will be doing supplements. Their main focus will be HH stuff. Can't blame em. Not like a BC book would be more interesting than the Horus Heresy. What is the source on this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 A couple of weeks/months ago Natfka had posted FW will be doing Codexes, and then on Dakka (iirc) someone hand mentioned the way IA books were formatted would be more like datalates and supplements. It makes sense, because the IA books take time away from the Horus Heresy books. My hypotheses to that was you'll be able to buy a 'Siege Regiment Army list', a 'Marshal Verner' Dataslate, and a BL background book on Vraks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 So it will be a decade before I see an IA? That . . . Sucks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Depressing, in it's own way. I want giant :cuss ing books of complex fluff, so thick I could crack marble. Not stupid dataslates and thin, weedy, glorified magazines with hardcovers. As for E-books, they're fine for short stories, but whole campaigns? Weak, weak, weak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ebooks are great for transportability and ease of use, but nothing beats having the actual hardcover in your hands. Even better when you got both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 A couple of weeks/months ago Natfka had posted FW will be doing Codexes,and then on Dakka (iirc) someone hand mentioned the way IA books were formatted would be more like datalates and supplements. It makes sense, because the IA books take time away from the Horus Heresy books. Well, that's certainly not good news to me... IA books were cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Books don't have batteries. That's good enough for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Books don't have batteries. That's good enough for me. Just don't put it too close to the fire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Books don't have batteries. That's good enough for me. Just don't put it too close to the fire. Don't put either of those things close to the fire. You can redownload an ebook. But that reader was a damn sight more expensive than a single book. What is wrong with you, Kol? Yes, I know you were not advocating the use of Kindles as kindling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Fires are an alternative way to read books without batteries as power sources. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286146-more-novelscampaigns-with-the-daemon-primarchs-post-heresy/#findComment-3587784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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