Brovius Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hey all, I've been out of it for quite some time and had my head under a rock for the start of 30k. A couple of people in my area are looking into playing 30k, and I started doing a small (1500pt) Chaos army a few years back that I started doing up as a Slaanesh-themed army (a colour scheme very similar to the Emperor's Children legion) and thought that would be the best way to go about it. Put simply, what should I be starting with? What power armour would look best on them and what units should I strive towards as the core of the army? I was considering mkIV because I think it would look great in a deep purple. As for the rules, is 30k much different to 40k? *read: is 30k as anti-melee as 6th edition 40k is? Is there some kind of Legion trait system that makes my plastic dudes any different to someone else's, aside from the paintjob and a few exclusive units? Phoenix Terminators and Palantine Blades look awesome, what are the thoughts on them? Sorry for all the questions but any help will be greatly appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The EC almost exclusively MkIV with some specialists wearing MkIII. The Legion rules are different than 40k and then you have Rites of War to consider. I'd suggest getting the rule books and some MkIV suits. The Phoenix Guard are okay, but the Palatine Blades are amazing, but get expensive quick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I think it's important to note if you are going to shell out some serious coin, you should love the models first. Everything is playable in 30k. Not everything is as awesome as the Pheonix guard terminators. Just sayin' ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 The EC almost exclusively MkIV with some specialists wearing MkIII. The Legion rules are different than 40k and then you have Rites of War to consider. I'd suggest getting the rule books and some MkIV suits. The Phoenix Guard are okay, but the Palatine Blades are amazing, but get expensive quick. Nice, so my instincts were right on the mkIV armour. So Palatine blades, mkIV dudes and a Praetor would be a good start, yeah? I have heard that some people play 30k against 40k armies, is it actually balanced to cater for this, or would you say 30k armies under/overcosted in comparison to 40k? I'm a fan of yours from days gone by, your Nephilim paint scheme is what inspired me to start the pre-heresy Emperor's Children way back then so I'm surprised you're still on the forums! I think it's important to note if you are going to shell out some serious coin, you should love the models first. Everything is playable in 30k. Not everything is as awesome as the Pheonix guard terminators. Just sayin' I've build up a considerable (around 7-8k points including Thunderhawk) force of Grey Knights and I have over 6.5k points of assembled Tyranids with plenty more in boxes, I should be fine money-wise :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I think you should definately get the books...In my view you should start with the two Troops choices and an HQ - pretty much like 40k. In fact it is suggested that unless you play games of more than 1,750pts you'd be better off using the 40k organization chart. There are also the Rites of War as The Nephilim said - this will add further contraints and benefits in your army building process...Thankfully the EC-specific RoW is a really cool one - so yeah, it's definately worth considering. It's important to get a basic playable force out there ASAP and you can add the EC specific units later on. And yes there are Legion specific traits and even wargear. Not to mention Primarchs! Certainly, choosing a Legion is a long term and expensive commitment and the model range should be an important factor to this choice. Personally I think that the Phoenix Guard is the best looking Termies in the 30k setting so far (and there is some stiff competition from the DG). But it's not just the Termies. The Palatine Blades are super-awesome models as are the Kakophoni. And keep in mind that as the Heresy progresses the physical corruption of the Legion will become even more evident (the current lists depict Great Crusade armies). There is certainly scope for FW to produce other specialist units going forward (although I have no idea if they will and what this might be) but imagine the prosepects if they touch upon Fabious Bile's constructs (Terata anyone? :o) 30k and 40k are not designed to be compatible. Having said that, some people experiment with 30k vs. 40k (especially with Xenos) trying to represent Great Crusade battles - and from what I hear they do get some fun results (but I cannot comment from personal experience as I do not have any...)Having read the above, I'm realy perplexed why would you think that MkIV is a must? (says the guy that his EC are exclusively in Mk IV :P) Seriously, unless it's your personal aesthetic preference, there is no reason from a background perspective to make them exclusively MkIV. Indeed in Betrayal they are depicted with all kinds of armour Mks... There is a thread that discusses EC tactics here that you may want to have look at. Look forward to see what you come up with! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I've heard that it's better balance 30k to 40k once you get above 2000pts. Below that it's supposed to be a little bit limited (large squads are cheaper and the units are more specialised and less flexible). But I think it's generally ok. Definitely agree with mark IV for most. Have you got Massacre? That's got the Emperor's Children's Rite of War. I presume you've got Betrayal but if not it has their Legion special rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 *snip* Thanks for the info! I'll check it out now. I think that being a GK player will help me out a ton as far as bits are concerned, I'll have no shortage of cool-looking power weapons to customise my units with. I could see a unit of Jetbikers with GK halberds (options permitting) looking really awesome. I've heard that it's better balance 30k to 40k once you get above 2000pts. Below that it's supposed to be a little bit limited (large squads are cheaper and the units are more specialised and less flexible). But I think it's generally ok. Definitely agree with mark IV for most. Have you got Massacre? That's got the Emperor's Children's Rite of War. I presume you've got Betrayal but if not it has their Legion special rules. I haven't got any of the books yet, but thanks for the heads-up! Knowing the important books to get certainly helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Betrayal has the legion list, so is essential for building an army. Luckily it has all the background for the EC as well as the build up and battles of Isstvan III. Plus it has nice pictures of the the Ec warriors. Massacre has expanded rules, such as the EC rite of war, plus 2 new EC units, the Phoenix Terminators, and the Kakophoni, plus the rules for Eidolon (there are other SC, including Fulgrim in Betrayal). There's also a few new units for the Legion list, plus some more pics of the EC. Depending on when your setting your EC, you can choose any mark up to V (could argue mark VI was taken from the battlefield but would be rare). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I'm a fan of yours from days gone by, your Nephilim paint scheme is what inspired me to start the pre-heresy Emperor's Children way back then so I'm surprised you're still on forums!Thanks Brovius. I lost interest for a while with the previous Chaos codex. Then my army was stolen. My car was too, but I'm more upset about the models. The Buick was a PoS anyways. Some gangbanger thug isn't going to know the value of what was in the trunk, you know? But that was a while back. 30k is what really brought my attention back. The fact that if you do it right, you can build an army that is fieldable in 30k and 40k minus a few units here and there. That and Forgeworld has really outdone themselves. Couple that with GW adopting FW as tournament legal, it's like a triple win. Oh and regarding the Rites of War, you don't have to take it, it's just a little fluff bonus/restriction thing if you do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Depending on when your setting your EC, you can choose any mark up to V (could argue mark IV was taken from the battlefield but would be rare). Both the BL HH novels and FW's HH rule books states that MkIV was the preferred armor of the Emperor's Children. The perfect Mk for the perfect legion, as it where. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yeah but that doesn't mean you have to solely use Mark IV, and as the battlefield dictates, different armour could be used. And by the time of the siege, those Mark IV could be getting a bit damaged, and if there are no replacements, older armour may be used, or the canabalised mark V. Edit: just looked at my original post and realised my big mistake. I said mark IV would be rare when I meant mark VI. Sorry all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Betrayal has the legion list, so is essential for building an army. Luckily it has all the background for the EC as well as the build up and battles of Isstvan III. Plus it has nice pictures of the the Ec warriors. Massacre has expanded rules, such as the EC rite of war, plus 2 new EC units, the Phoenix Terminators, and the Kakophoni, plus the rules for Eidolon (there are other SC, including Fulgrim in Betrayal). There's also a few new units for the Legion list, plus some more pics of the EC. Depending on when your setting your EC, you can choose any mark up to V (could argue mark IV was taken from the battlefield but would be rare). Nice, sounds good. The thread that Semper linked makes mention of Eidolon, and a TH that ignored Unwieldy on the charge sounds scary! Also, having Dreadnoughts or Terminators outflanking on the turn of your choice seems pretty damn cool EDIT: I'm a fan of yours from days gone by, your Nephilim paint scheme is what inspired me to start the pre-heresy Emperor's Children way back then so I'm surprised you're still on forums!Thanks Brovius. I lost interest for a while with the previous Chaos codex. Then my army was stolen. My car was too, but I'm more upset about the models. The Buick was a PoS anyways. Some gangbanger thug isn't going to know the value of what was in the trunk, you know? But that was a while back. 30k is what really brought my attention back. The fact that if you do it right, you can build an army that is fieldable in 30k and 40k minus a few units here and there. That and Forgeworld has really outdone themselves. Couple that with GW adopting FW as tournament legal, it's like a triple win. Oh and regarding the Rites of War, you don't have to take it, it's just a little fluff bonus/restriction thing if you do. Sorry to hear about that. It was my beloved Tyranids getting a new book that spurred me back into action and while catching up on all the current news I stumbled across a few people talking about 30k (I also have a few gripes with 6e, but that's another story). Very keen to get to work on the Legion of perfection, will have to order a ton of Forgeworld stuff in the coming months. I trust in FW to make compelling, competitive and balanced rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Sorry to hear about that. It was my beloved Tyranids getting a new book that spurred me back into action and while catching up on all the current news I stumbled across a few people talking about 30k (I also have a few gripes with 6e, but that's another story).Yeah... What can you do? I was mildly interested in the Nid release, but my fiancée is interested in Necrons, which will probably be my third army for her. Very keen to get to work on the Legion of perfection, will have to order a ton of Forgeworld stuff in the coming months. I trust in FW to make compelling, competitive and balanced rules.Forgeworld has done an excellent job so fat. And their models are amazing. Yeah, you pay a premium, but when you're starting from basically scratch, it's worth it, at least to me, when I can use the same army in two different games. ++Edit++ Stupid iPhone won't let me tear apart a quoted post appropriately, thus the trunducated quotes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286246-looking-to-start-30k-emperors-children/#findComment-3582508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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