Kilofix Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Are lists with zero regular Chaos Marine squads, and instead 4 to 6 Cultist squads for scoring, feasible? Assuming 2000 point size and that you'd use the remaining points to fill up on Elites, Fast and Heavy. I know HQ can make Elite Troops but my particular build has already filled HQ with a DP and Huron (for MoD). I've never actually tried it; I've always had at least 2 CSM (with Rhinos) in addition to Cultist on top of that but I feel that they may be eating points that I could be spending on things that hit harder (further). Especially if I could just make up the bodies with Cultists. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Not only feasible, but common. Cultists in reserve for troops, princes, Be'lakor, Huron, or the like in HQ, more points for heldrakes, oblits, & allied daemons (which is where you get your 'offensive' scoring troops, and also where you use your infiltrate ability if running Huron) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Very common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Typhus is also a good HQ to take when running Cultist blobs. Giving them Fearless and Feel no Pain alone can make for a nasty tarpit unit or objective holder. Couple that with the fact you can take LOADS of them per unit makes for a decent and quite popular build. End of Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The downside is that typhus is rather expensive. Also, most non-marine lists I see don't run cultists for the sake of running cultists, but rather for the sake of saving points in troops to run more heldrakes, oblits, & allied daemons. Spending more points to buff the cultists or increase their numbers kind of undercuts that. If you're running cultists for the sake of the cultists themselves, then big squads and taking typhus is a decent call. There's also a forgeworld character that similarly unlucks zombies, and I think even gives them added bonuses (furious charge, maybe?), from IA:A (2013 edition). But if you're running big blobs of cultists, Typhus isn't a bad choice regardless, just to have something dangerous and killy to hide in those blobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 @ Malisteen. You are correct sir. Necrosius fist appears in the Siege of Vraks and is updated in FW Apoc. For about plague marine cheaper than Typhus you get a ML2 sorc with 3 pre-selected powers and the ability to take Furious Charge zombies. His unique power is relatively good at MC hunting, and he doesn't have the problems Typhus does with being slower than most escorts. I love him with a bodyguard of PMs and 2-3 squads of zombie cultists in small games. For anyone else with his rules: If chosen out of CSM, he doesn't have a way to plague marines as troops right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jackal Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 @Cato. Yeah, he doesn't unlock plague marines. The way I'm reading it, he doesn't unlock zombies either if he's chosen for the codex. I've had some good work come from 2 x 30 man cultist blobs, 26 autoguns + 3 Flamers allied in. Being buffed from telepathy and divination makes them golden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Plague Zombie blobs do at least seem popular - if negative. It's doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 @Cato. Yeah, he doesn't unlock plague marines. The way I'm reading it, he doesn't unlock zombies either if he's chosen for the codex. He has Typhus's plague zombie rule. Only the most pedantic and stupid reading of him having that rule wouldn't allow him to unlock plague zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jackal Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Necrosius has the special rule 'Master of the Dead.' Whilst Necrosius is present on the battlefield all Plague Zombie units gain the furious charge special rule. Nothing about unlocking them, they are a troop choice in the Servants of Decay list. No unlock needed. Typhus has Plague Zombies rule that words changing cultists to zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 His Vraks list doesn't have it. In the new apoc book he got the exact same rule Typhus has. It points you to reference C:CSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 feasible ?? Hardly any list have csm's in them now ( show's how incredibly bad this dex is that csm's are no long in csm list) ! Take 60+% of the list out there now ,If you take a DP instead of biker lord and retinue , you already have your no csm list. DP 4-5 blobs of cultist 2-3 mauler fiends , or 2-3 squads of oblits , which ever way you want to go spawn 2-3 helturkeys of course . presto ! no csm , "csm" list . enjoy. please use responsibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jackal Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Oh. Is there a book update post this? http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/c/Characters.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Is Necrosius the sweet little Nurgle Sorcerer model FW released then?? This mini is rad. In the local weekend tournaments here, Typhus Zombies has done well because it frees up points for 2 drakes and 2 maulers basically. One guy even brought 3 drakes once, he didn't make too many friends that day!! :D End of Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yes. His current rules are in imperial armor: apocalypse, 2013 wdition. He has the rule 'plague zombie' and rwfers yu to typhus' s codex entry for what it does. A pedantic reading would say thatwhat thatrule does is allow you to upgrade cultists to zombies in armies that include typhus, so necrosius having that rule wouldn't actually do anything, but nobody would actually read it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jackal Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Ok, thanks for clearing that up, due for another purchase then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wouldn't take him in his FW version anyways, but as a Nurgle Sorcerer instead. But good to know for future reference. I looked up his (Necrosius) current rulings, and yeah...talk about poor wording!! End of Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 technically speaking he doesn't have a model, the FW sorcerer is just a regular sorcerer. but he is pretty nice, FC zombies are a thing. Personally I'm a fan of Typhus though despite his cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Yeah, it's as common as "Grey Knight Lists" with only Henchmen >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valaskjalf Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I cant say that Ive ever run regular CSM in 6th edition, ever. I might change my mind if the rumoured supplements turn out to not be hogwash....but currently I find more use in unlocking NM or PM as troops along with a bunch of Cultists. CSM dont really have a place in any of my lists atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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