Qin Xa

[depthcharge12]

i was just giving my opinion. shouldnt have done a list but i did and i stand by it as MY opinion not anyone elses

Did you take into account that Loken beat Lucius? Also that Loken was shutting through Abaddons armor and almost pierced his heart except for the terminator plate Abby was wearing? How about that same book where Loken is being overpowered by Khârn and has to push him into a confidently driving by land raider that somehow doesn't notice him and shoot him either?

 

It is your opinion, by I would think that you might want to reorganize it after those considerations.

 

 

But I agree, a list is nonsensical as the same way for primarchs. You can say some guys are up there, but in the end it's up to plot devices and deus ex machina.

[securitas]

there is no doubtin loken was a total badass, i gotta read galaxy in flames again. i think bl will bring him back as a charactor like sanguinor or bjorn or the legion of the damned personally wouldnt mind that

[Perrin]

there is no doubtin loken was a total badass, i gotta read galaxy in flames again. i think bl will bring him back as a charactor like sanguinor or bjorn or the legion of the damned personally wouldnt mind that

 

Um... do you mean they'll bring him back in 40k or HH? If so you should check out the audio book Garro: Legion of One, or look at Loken's Lexicanum entry.

[Kol Saresk]

*eye twitch*

[securitas]

40k like the grand master in paradox

[Disruptor_fe404]

The thing I want to know most about Qin Xa is how to pronounce his name... The first part seems simple enough, but the latter? Is it "zaa", "shaa", or something in between?

 

"Chin Shah".

 

Or "Chi-in Shaa", depending on what radical future!Chinese puts on his name (if they put one on at all).

[Perrin]

40k like the grand master in paradox

 

Oh right, fair enough. Who knows? They bought him back from the dead already. I'd rather him go out in a blaze of glory, maybe killing Little Horus?

[exsanguis]

Isn't it one of the first three novels where Erebus is rockin' up the sparring cage? I know his Massacre entry doesn't make him out to be a badass fighter, but I got the impression from that passage that he was considered pretty boss by other legions.

[Daemon2027]

 

loken only cause he bested lucius tht first spar

How about Nykona Sharrowkyn, he took down Lucius. It would be a hard list to make, all the legions have different characteristics that will give them advantages and disadvantages over each other, and that's not taking into account outside factors like environment, dark gods/tyrant emperor's blessings, or pure luck.

[securitas]

i agree but im goin of no chaos powers just a straight up street fight to the death

[Red Angel]

Isn't it one of the first three novels where Erebus is rockin' up the sparring cage? I know his Massacre entry doesn't make him out to be a badass fighter, but I got the impression from that passage that he was considered pretty boss by other legions.

It was in Horus Rising if I remember correctly. Erebus kept his own against Lucius for some time, altough in the end he lost.  Also in Betrayer prior to duel with Khârn he seems pretty confident about his abilities.

[Phoros]

 How about Nykona Sharrowkyn, he took down Lucius.

 

Yeah, but he's a shadowy ninja who is kyn to sharrows, so he doesn't count.

[b1soul]

A bit late to the party...but Qin Xa should be up there. There's also Yesugai (most kills of any White Scar) and Jubal Khan (my avatar). He's supposed to be First Captain but is yet to be mentioned in stories. 

 

Qin Xa would be the WS equivalent of the BA's Azkaellon. 

 

He's pretty impressive...

 

None of the Deathshroud manages to draw his blood : 

"Qin Xa faced him, unblooded but for his blades. The Thousand Sons legionary was still there, as were five of the keshig."

 

The Khan views him as "superlative":  

"The Khan felt brief flashes of warp-fire, and guessed that it was Arvida. He heard Qin Xa’s battle-cry, and gloried in it. The keshig-master was a superlative warrior, and he had no fear for him, nor any of the others."

 

Isn't it one of the first three novels where Erebus is rockin' up the sparring cage? I know his Massacre entry doesn't make him out to be a badass fighter, but I got the impression from that passage that he was considered pretty boss by other legions.

 

Yes, I believe he's actually very good. I recall he does well in the World Eater pits 

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

 

The thing I want to know most about Qin Xa is how to pronounce his name... The first part seems simple enough, but the latter? Is it "zaa", "shaa", or something in between?

 

"Chin Shah".

 

Or "Chi-in Shaa", depending on what radical future!Chinese puts on his name (if they put one on at all).

 

Fun history tidbit: the Qin (Chin) Dynasty, the first of the Imperial Dynasties, was where the name China came from.

 

Also, can we PLEASE not have yet another thread devolve into which marine is more bad ass than the others?

[Balthamal]

It wasn't a definitive order but the following names floated around the Open Day:

 

Corswain

Sevatar

Sigismund

Raldoron

Abaddon

Khârn

Valdor

 

Corswain and Raldoron don't have rules yet so can't be objective with em but the other 4? Sigismund wins. Every time. Valdor is there because in the words of one designer "this guy can spar with the Primarchs"

 

Qin Xa would be an interesting one though. Given the Khan's preferred ethos of war is speed you'd think they'd go all out to get those Terminator suits as nimble and agile as possible without compromising on the integrity of the armour. 

 

As with most posts like this though it's subjective. The characters in the books all think that warrior X or Legion Y are better than others so there's no solid basis for it.

[Phoros]

A bit late to the party...but Qin Xa should be up there. There's also Yesugai (most kills of any White Scar) and Jubal Khan (my avatar). He's supposed to be First Captain but is yet to be mentioned in stories. 

I thought Jubal Khan was the 40k Chapter Master of the Scars?

[b1soul]

I thought Jubal Khan was the 40k Chapter Master of the Scars?

 

There's a "Jubal" in 30K too. "Jubal" might be a common Chogorian name 

 

My avatar shows the 30K Jubal

 

 

It wasn't a definitive order but the following names floated around the Open Day:

 

Corswain

Sevatar

Sigismund

Raldoron

Abaddon

Khârn

Valdor

 

 

Every legion has its badasses. These are just the ones getting rules. 

 

 

Valdor is there because in the words of one designer "this guy can spar with the Primarchs"

 

Everyone keeps saying that but no one is able to produce evidence...

 

 

Qin Xa would be an interesting one though. Given the Khan's preferred ethos of war is speed you'd think they'd go all out to get those Terminator suits as nimble and agile as possible without compromising on the integrity of the armour. 

 

Pretty sure more nimble terminator suits would offer less protection...otherwise every legion would want them. There has to be a trade-off

 

I think it's a cool idea though 

[Balthamal]

 

It wasn't a definitive order but the following names floated around the Open Day:

 

Corswain

Sevatar

Sigismund

Raldoron

Abaddon

Khârn

Valdor

 

Every legion has its badasses. These are just the ones getting rules. 

 

 

Valdor is there because in the words of one designer "this guy can spar with the Primarchs"

 

Everyone keeps saying that but no one is able to produce evidence...

 

 

Yep every Legion has it's outstanding warriors. Doesn't mean the top 20 have one from every Legion however. There's a good argument for Raldoron and Azkaellon being included. So who drops out? An Iron Hand? An Alpha Legionary? At the end of the day, any power ranking list is subjective based on the views of characters presented in a HH novel/novella/audio. The only objective evidence we're going to get is from an author/designer outright stating that X is better than Y. Until that happens, everyone will have their favourites. The only metric we can measure awesomeness by is the character's rules in the HH series. And by that measurement, right now, Sigismund is king. 

 

For the sake of argument, using as many view points I can remember throughout the books, the top of the Legiones Astartes pyramid will contain:

 

Sigismund

Sevatar

Abaddon

Khârn

Corswain

Raldoron

Azkaellon

Eikos Lamiad

Lucius

Sharrowkyn

Jubal Khan

Qin Xa

Bjorn the Fell-Handed

Delvarus

Tyhpon

Horus Aximand

Erebus

 

 

Note there's no representation from the Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, Salamanders or Alpha Legion. There's nothing presented to say these Legions have warriors on par with those above.

 

Fully subjective so add copious amounts of sodium chloride.

 

As for Valdor, if that's coming from one of the authors/designers, that's good enough for me. His rules are going to put even Sigismund's in the shade. But sadly with the delaying of Prospero it seems we're going to be waiting a while to see them in effect

[HeritorA]

Well - Sigismund vs Sevatar fight to death should put all questions to sleep

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

If magic is allowed then I would put The Magister Templis of the Thousand Sons in the list.

[Kol Saresk]

 

If magic is allowed then I would put The Magister Templis of the Thousand Sons in the list.

I'd say warp-magick would have to be allowed since the list is "who is the best of their Legion" and the best of each Legion would be determined by the standards of that individual Legion. So, Ahriman?

[Wade Garrett]

 

 

40k like the grand master in paradox

Oh right, fair enough. Who knows? They bought him back from the dead already. I'd rather him go out in a blaze of glory, maybe killing Little Horus?

YOU CAN'T KILL THE MESSIAH! LOKEN LIVES! LOKEN LIVES!

[Vesper]

U bet every legion has at least one top fighter able to go head to head with the other legion's best.

 

Ravenguard have sharowkyn who goes toe to toe with lucius

According to powerlevel data our searchers managed to extract from the McNeillius, Sharrowkyn is able to go toe to toe with the Emperor and Horus at the same time while using most of his power holding the sky on his shoulders, something he had to do since he slayed Atlas.

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

 

 

If magic is allowed then I would put The Magister Templis of the Thousand Sons in the list.

I'd say warp-magick would have to be allowed since the list is "who is the best of their Legion" and the best of each Legion would be determined by the standards of that individual Legion. So, Ahriman?

I'd say Khalopolis or Phosis T'Kar would be better than him.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

U bet every legion has at least one top fighter able to go head to head with the other legion's best.

 

Ravenguard have sharowkyn who goes toe to toe with lucius

According to powerlevel data our searchers managed to extract from the McNeillius, Sharrowkyn is able to go toe to toe with the Emperor and Horus at the same time while using most of his power holding the sky on his shoulders, something he had to do since he slayed Atlas.

 

 

Please. We all know Sharrowkyn holds the universe in the palm of his hand and not only can he go toe to toe with Chuck Norris, but he can also rip the chest hair from Bruce Lee while blinking(literally, blinking)Horus, the Emperor and the Chaos Gods into nonexistence. He just doesn't because then everything would be boring. Oh, and he got stabbed by an anathame once. After six days of excruciating pain, the anathame shattered.