XKhalilX Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 no feedback? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3589697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Really not a fan of your alpha legion idea. the curse founding is a perfect opportunity to mess with loyalist geneseed... not squeeze in traitor geneseed. I haven't seen anyone try repairing Rogal Dorns betchers gland and that could result in an elite unit of camel marines. I find that more characterful than a force of psychic hive mind marines that has little to no chance to exist in the 41st millenium. or so the Lore nut inside me confirms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3591116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 well i despiste Imperial Fists with a passion, i find the IF, CF and BTs so overwhelmingly boring lol elite CAMEL marines? Whaat!? LOL well the cursed founding is known to supposedly mess with traitor geneseed, and splicing of geneseed as well combining geneseeds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3591128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yessir, that sounds about right. I'd be happier to hear of a mixed geneseed between a traitor and loyalist rather than Traitor geneseed by themselves. There is a reason why traitor geneseed is under lock and key. and as for the imperial fists, (not the biggest fan either) I just imagine someone fixing them but instead make the betchers gland over active causing the marine to be frothing acid from the mouth all the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3591133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 forthing acid, like a mutated rutweiler LOL. well the idea in the latter part is the idea is drawn up to take a new genestock, which (and I didnt mention it perhaps i should have) was they use a new genestock. that part was mentioned, but the idea was they splice the AL with something stable, say perhaps Ultramarines. I thought of Alpha Legion and Ravenguard. that would be an interesting combo for reasons that: Alpha Legion is perhaps the most stable geneseed of the traitors (no mutations or sociopathic tendencies) Raven Guard is perhap the most unstable geneseed of the loyalists AL and RG tactics combine would be a pretty sight. mind you geneseed doesnt necessarily determine combat tactics but recon, deep infiltration, special ops of the Alpha Legion with the guerilla warfare hit and run tactics of the Raven Guard sounds damn pretty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3591149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'd argue that the Night Lords have a stable geneseed. sociopathic part comes from being raised and trained that way. if anything Night Lord geneseed would cause some psykers go crazy with visions of the future. the pit fall of most DIY chapters as far as I could see and read is that most want an awesome cool chapter that does not follow the codex. this seems to be the trend. but really following the codex only helps put up a decent framework that can be bent to include creative ideas. Hell you could run, Vanilla marines.... Rename a few characters and then just to be characterful run a squad of Legion of the damned to represent the "Specialised" unit in your chapter. In the end you can do anything you want just don't be surprised about the lack of acknowledgement if its lore breaking. Anyways you seem dead set on including Alpha Legion bro psykers, (I don't approve) so I'll just bow out here and wish u some luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3591261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 no its NOT AL psykers. it has nothing to do with psyker gene. i dont know how many.times i have to say that. its hive mind mentaliyy in a micro level. being a psyker has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to think as one mind in separate individuals. ive been rewriting the fluff(post it tomorrow) thst the omophagea implant malfunctiins and mutates. rather then absorbing genetic material from consuming genetic material from an enemy (blood, flesh) to gain their memories, thr omophagea mutates and absorbs the collective memory and experiences of the previous bearers of the geneseed and omophagea the current brother carries. hence they hear the thoughts of the dead as if it were their own and their identity begins to coalesce with those of the "dead spirits they carry." no talk of inquisition observance as i removed it from the history. you will see that tomorrow as well. so maybe ill write it the chapter is stable, no hive mind. but within a millenia the omophagea mutates. given their geneseed lineage, the micro hive sets in, the whispers start. from momentary whispers comes formulated thoughts from the dead within. and then full on immersion into a micdo hive of brothers connected through their past as well as the living present. hence my spin on AL and their identity behavioral patterns. poetically speaking, theud fight on together in each generation as the apothecary take special care in catalouging the identies of geneseed carriers, placing them in recruits when time is ready. this painstaking procesa makes the chapters strength to always be far below chapter strength so they can make the best effort to ensure the least amount of shuffling of brothers in squads. this on top of fact their rate of maturity to full astartes is longer then normal. hows that sound? better? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3591836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 aa for codex. i have nothing against it at all. but being who they are descended from will naturally give way to recon deep infiltration and guerilla warfare over that of codex adherence. and the identities merging as in plays into the alpha legion ideology as all are one, one is all. there really isnt lore breaking goin on. the cursed founding is known to use traitor geneseed and loyalist geneseed and also known for genetic splicing of genessed be it splicing of two traitors two loyalists or a traitor and loyalist. im simply taking the merging of individualism into a collected whole that the AL espouses as well as their recon and deep infiltration tactics. my idea of a micro hive is a spin on how the brothers believed in the XX Legion. the twins were one in two/two in one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3591839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDF Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Off topic, but I've actually got plans for a cursed founding IF successor where the Betcher's Gland was replaced but became incredibly hyper-active, dissolving away part of a marine's lower jaw, throat and often their neck progenoid gland before it matures. And, of course, it now grows spontaneously and cannot be removed without killing the marine. I must write that IA one of these days... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3592049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ancieno Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 How about one that is very aggressive and excels at close combat due to berserk tendencies. But they suffer from an over active ommaphagea and must fight the urge to eat their opponents (except for Necron or Nid lol). As a result they gain Furious Charge but cannot sweeping advance (unless they're fighting Necrons or Tyranids). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3593024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 ok so i overhauled my IA for my guys, you should see it under Updated 2/12 21st Cursed Founding: The Voices Within Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286494-curses-for-a-21st-founder/page/2/#findComment-3593440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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