Emperor's Furor Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I just asked Black Library's page on facebook about whether we will find out about Tarvitz and Rylanor and got this reply from Adam - Hi Liam, possibly...? -Adam What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I think it is about as non-committal of an answer as one could give. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 He's dead. Let us hope it stays that way, otherwise his sacrifice just seems sort of bleh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 He's dead. Let us hope it stays that way, otherwise his sacrifice just seems sort of bleh. Yeah but if Loken survive then surely Tarvitz could, he actually had somewhere to hide. I think they should of left Loken dead and allowed Tarvitz to survive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 But they didn't. The fact of the matter is that I liked Tarvitz better than Loken. Does that mean I think Tarvitz should still be alive? No, because his fight is over and he can provide little to the story anymore. Although they have yet to actually use him in any sort of appropriate manner, Loken can potentially provide some rather interesting stuff to the Horus Heresy series, even though I would much prefer he had remained dead aswell. Let the characters that should be dead remain that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 I dunno, I for one could do with some Imperial victories, even if it's just the return of a past favourite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Its the Heresy. The age of Imperial victories is over. Even the Siege was not a victory as it served as a certificate of death for the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Wouldn't mind Rylanor coming back. He's a dreadnought, so has a better chance of survival than Loken did, and there was that one-liner about a secret underground hanger. Â Tarvitz should stay dead though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I wish they were all dead... Â Really lessens any sort of impact their "deaths" had, if they all just resurface later in the series. Let other characters fill in, advance the plot, and also die gruesomely. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 I don't like the deaths of "they were bombarded from orbit" though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thats what made it tragic. They fought so hard and survived so much, only to die an ignoble death. No heo's death for the Angels: instead they're a statistic of a footnote. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Such is the fate of those in a Grimdark setting. You hardly ever get the death you want. Spend hundreds of years training, fighting, and giving your all to something you believe in, only to be murdered by your own brothers in the most indecent, and shameful way imaginable. Warhammer spits upon the concept of honour and what is decent because that is what its supposed to. There is no good guy, no hero, no matter what newer renditions of fluff try to say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Precisely.  The virus devours all organic matter. It claws its way through the soft armor of their suits, bleaching away their honored livery. It sneaks through torn plate, and consumes their flesh. Their last breaths stolen from them as lungs catch fire. Hearts begin to slow with failure. Vision clouds as their minds melt.  All this, consigned by their closest brothers. The warriors they've stood back to back with on numerous occasions. Through the good and the bad. Taking on the most horrific aliens imaginable. Conducting mass-genocide on relatively innocent human cultures.  As Kol points out, this is the death they all fear most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Such is the fate of those in a Grimdark setting. You hardly ever get the death you want. Spend hundreds of years training, fighting, and giving your all to something you believe in, only to be murdered by your own brothers in the most indecent, and shameful way imaginable. Warhammer spits upon the concept of honour and what is decent because that is what its supposed to. There is no good guy, no hero, no matter what newer renditions of fluff try to say.Except Kaldor Draigo. http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/the_whittler/17012796/24782/24782_original.gif  I need to break something now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 If it helps Tarvitz beat Lucius. The man alone stalled 3 primarchs with his actions (in my speculative opinion). He will remain a legend to readers and I will buy his model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 If it helps Tarvitz beat Lucius. The man alone stalled 3 primarchs with his actions (in my speculative opinion). He will remain a legend to readers and I will buy his model. Â Four primarchs right? Mortarion, Angron, Fulgrim, and Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I stand corrected! My thanks brother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Fulgrim technically wasn't at Istvaan III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Fulgrim technically wasn't at Istvaan III. Â True, but most of his legion was Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Sometimes, not knowing an outcome, is the most interesting outcome. Sometimes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Â He's dead. Let us hope it stays that way, otherwise his sacrifice just seems sort of bleh. Yeah but if Loken survive then surely Tarvitz could, he actually had somewhere to hide. Â Yeah. So basically every single loyalist has survived. Too stronk ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Sometimes, not knowing an outcome, is the most interesting outcome. Sometimes.  Something is more interesting if you have to use your imagination to create all the possibilities in your own vision.  Then someone goes and creates a novel where some upset upstart slaps bodyguard elite aside and starts carving names into a primarch daemon princes' heart who's had thousands of years to be 'more' than the awesome primarch he already was. Ok ok.. slightly ranting there...  But otherwise totally this. Sometimes things are best left unsaid. This is what 40k imho has been about up until the recent Heresy fleshing out. People can write their own back-stories, their own history, their own ways of the 30/40k world their army has been crafted from. Now that we are getting it dictated to us, it takes away from that unknown. Yes, quite a bit of it is simply excellent work, the HH novel series and 30k game has taken the game to another level - a great move. But leave a few things still to the imagination please :)  Without the fate of Tarvitz - it's up to the reader and gamer to make up something from their own imagination of minds (and I agree with the masses he's the one likable character from the EC). When history becomes written, you no longer have that opportunity. Imagine if they write his fate and it doesn't fit your vision? Like myself with Mortarion versus Draigo - it'll never be the same again - I refuse to accept it :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Observant Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I think there was an interview somewhere where Mcneil was going to write a story on Rylanor, but I think he said Tarvitz is dead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Prior to the Later novels of the heresy, ressurection was not common place, if a thing at all in the 40k setting. It's a cheap poor man's trick to do in my opinion, unless it's been subtly setup for a very specific purpose, like anti-climax endings or plot twists. Â Just having them back from the dead just for giggles robs the story of it's dept. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Let the dead rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286638-possible-hint-at-answer-of-tarvitz-outcome/#findComment-3590698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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