Marshal Rohr Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 No matter what happens, we all know it'll at least be out before Winds of Winter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 No matter what happens, we all know it'll at least be out before Winds of Winter. -.- Well that is comforting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @ADB- Just saw your post. Yeah, I understand its a visual IP. Which, as you read in your edit, I'm all for Forge World's direction. I just want direction that makes sense. Forge world has done it, so I know I'm not asking for an impossible task. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d715 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Minotaurs? (World Eaters!) Carcharadons? (Night Lords!) Red Scorpions? (Word Bearers!) Sons of Anateus? (Death Guard!) Blood Ravens? (Thousand Sons, so sayeth G.S. Goto) Nah Man Red Scorpions are Emperor's Children And don't forget Grey Knights (Luna Wolves) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It gets even more baffling when you realize the Great Crusade to End All Religion depends on Tech PRIESTS of the Machine GOD for all its logistical needs. That unknowingly worship an alien god that was chained up in their basement by the same guy that wants to destroy all religion. Well I just wanted to give some examples but if we want to dwell deeper into this topic I got something that will blow your minds: Even word primarch means religious function. Seriously google it up. EDIT: Also I don't see why Angrons fluff was changed from: "Angron refused to abandon his brothers and sisters and was too proud so he refused any help from Emperor, so Emperor decided to teleport him out during battle." to "Emperor being douchy, decided that instead of helping Angron, he will teleport him away." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Index Astartes: World Eaters says the Emperor offered Angron "leadership of the World Eaters Legion and a place at his side." There's nothing about Emps offering to save his fellow slaves, help him win the battle, anything like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It gets even more baffling when you realize the Great Crusade to End All Religion depends on Tech PRIESTS of the Machine GOD for all its logistical needs. That unknowingly worship an alien god that was chained up in their basement by the same guy that wants to destroy all religion. Well I just wanted to give some examples but if we want to dwell deeper into this topic I got something that will blow your minds: Even word primarch means religious function. Seriously google it up. EDIT: Also I don't see why Angrons fluff was changed from: "Angron refused to abandon his brothers and sisters and was too proud so he refused any help from Emperor, so Emperor decided to teleport him out during battle." to "Emperor being douchy, decided that instead of helping Angron, he will teleport him away." It actually just means "First (as a basic definition of 'prime') Ruler/Leader," like how Monarch basically means "Sole Ruler." The religous title I believe you are referring to is Primate. They both are related to the word "primacy" but that is about it. As for the edited in retcon, for as long as one has been true so has the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @ADB- Just saw your post. Yeah, I understand its a visual IP. Which, as you read in your edit, I'm all for Forge World's direction. I just want direction that makes sense. Forge world has done it, so I know I'm not asking for an impossible task. Yeah, my reply makes zero sense after having read more than eight words in your post (THANKS, PHONE). I only left it there for completion (and to edit in an agreement with you). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It gets even more baffling when you realize the Great Crusade to End All Religion depends on Tech PRIESTS of the Machine GOD for all its logistical needs. That unknowingly worship an alien god that was chained up in their basement by the same guy that wants to destroy all religion. Well I just wanted to give some examples but if we want to dwell deeper into this topic I got something that will blow your minds: Even word primarch means religious function. Seriously google it up. EDIT: Also I don't see why Angrons fluff was changed from: "Angron refused to abandon his brothers and sisters and was too proud so he refused any help from Emperor, so Emperor decided to teleport him out during battle." to "Emperor being douchy, decided that instead of helping Angron, he will teleport him away." It actually just means "First (as a basic definition of 'prime') Ruler/Leader," like how Monarch basically means "Sole Ruler." The religous title I believe you are referring to is Primate. They both are related to the word "primacy" but that is about it. As for the edited in retcon, for as long as one has been true so has the other. My bad with Angron I am not entirely sure why I thought it was retconned. Concerning word Primarch, I believe the title was widespread especially in early church before Roman primacy. As some things in W40k lore are inspired by religious themes and several events in HH seem to be inspired from period of early to Roman christianity (Council of Nikaea anyone?) I assumed GW overtook it from there. But I could be totally of the mark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Last I heard, everyone posting here is a primate. :P Now, there a religious title called "prelate", which comes from a Latin word meaning "to set above", or "carry before". And usually they are a bishop. So the way to think of it would be to think of is a bishop that is put above other bishops. But it didn't exist in the early church until the rank of bishop was made, as the Christian congregations began to go from being loosely associated(helping one another, no authority over each other) to forming dioceses and parishes, and moving away from preachers and elders to priests and bishops. But I'm pretty sure going any further into this topic would go from toeing the line to just jumping over it and then nuking it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Primates are essentially regional or national Bishops, from my understanding of it. And considering full titles being like "Primate of the Visigoth Empire," I'm going to take a wild stab at it being damn old. Now, you mentioned that we should google Primarch to prove that it has a religious origin. When I do, I get this website: http://ninjawords.com/Primarch As the only website to give a religious definition. If you notice, however, the definition is actually for primacy. I am afraid that this is just a case of a sensibly made-up word. Used by 40k, Mass Effect, and internet conspirasists everywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Primarch would be made up off the latin 'Primus' and Greek 'archos', meaning first leader or something similar. Frater more versed in Classical Languages would be better able to explain it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Haha! Sorry, any self respecting leader calling himself a primate sounds funny to me :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Primarch would be made up off the latin 'Primus' and Greek 'archos', meaning first leader or something similar. Frater more versed in Classical Languages would be better able to explain it. I love it when my guesses are right. :D Granted, easy guess considering those latin roots are widespread in the English language, giving me plenty of hints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Oh, okay. I kept stopping when I saw the pictures of monkeys when I googled primate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Well I guess I was wrong then. Still switching from Imperial Creed to The Imperial Truth is baffling to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286893-retcons-who-how-why/page/4/#findComment-3601550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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