Emperor's Furor Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I'm planning on constructing some Sons of Horus, but these SoH are influence by the art work from collected visions. This is what I'm thinking of putting together to construct them. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/deathguardheads.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/soh-torsos.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/soh-pads.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/mkivrevised.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/tigris-bolters-revised.jpg I'm worried about the cost though. Are these pads meant to be for 5 models or 10 models, i.e is it two pads for model or one pad per model? http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/soh-pads.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yeh that's gonna ramp up in cost quickly, but it will look sweet! I want to say they're for 10 men, especially at that price and given the other Legion pads, but the two sets of indentical pads leads me to believe they're for 5 men. Perhaps to make Veterans with the torso/head sets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 In cost terms, it might be an idea to see if you can get hold of the arms, legs & backpacks from a bits seller, and compare the cost - if you use normal plastic marine backpacks (which aren't too dissimilar from MK IV), then you might be able to reduce the cost Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 In cost terms, it might be an idea to see if you can get hold of the arms, legs & backpacks from a bits seller, and compare the cost - if you use normal plastic marine backpacks (which aren't too dissimilar from MK IV), then you might be able to reduce the cost If I tried to get them from ebay they'd come to £25 and that's without the other bits so may as well get them from FW directly. The bits stores I use are all sold out and rarely have them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 How about doing it this way- The Reaver Squad - The Helmets - The Bodies http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/reavers1.jpg http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/deathguardheads.jpg http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/soh-torsos.jpg The first way would cost £65 (£72 with p&p) for just 5 of them with bolt guns The Second way would cost £54 (£60 with p&p) for 5 of them with close combat weapons and pistols The second way however means I can use everything I get and not waste the chests and helmets, I can use them for conversions and other troops. Problem is I kind of prefer them using bolters since all the pictures from collected visions have bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Or you could sell spare parts on eBay. Win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 Do you guys think the Tigrus pattern bolter is the best choice or should I got with the traditional phobos pattern since most of the images in collected visions have them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromancer Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 The problem with option two is that the reaver legs and torsos are one piece, so you would not be able to use the other torso unless you wanted alot of cutting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 My wallet feels your wallets pain bro. I'm building something similar myself. A lot of the images from collected visions have the Sons of Horus in armour which looks similar to mk5. There is a common theme of chest armour with cabling. Using plastic mk5 pieces can work as a start, they're fairly easy to get hold of at a decent price. For cheaper backpacks I'd recommend getting some chaos ones and trimming the 'wings' and sticking the vents back on closer to the body of the pack, if you know what I mean. Chaos legs are fairly limited pose wise but I've used some to bulk out some squads, typically combining them with a Forgeworld mk2 torso. The Space Wolves legs I've used in a similar fashion, they also have some decent bare heads. Adding cabling to other chest pieces is pretty easy using greenstuff if you fancy giving it a shot. As far as bolters go I'm a big fan of Phobos and Tigrus. If you're going predominantly mk4 I'd say Tigrus as they're more modern looking and sleeker. Finally be sure to post up some pics of your work! For the Warmaster! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 Pyromancer, on 16 Feb 2014 - 19:01, said: The problem with option two is that the reaver legs and torsos are one piece, so you would not be able to use the other torso unless you wanted alot of cutting. Darn it, how about this then I'm thinking of taking option one and putting mk II jump packs on them for a jump packing reaver squad, but then I won't have any of the weapons from the reaver kit. Gah I dunno its getting to complicated now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 I'm trying to replicate something like these images. http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121107195208/warhammer40k/images/thumb/7/7b/Serghar_Targost.jpg/250px-Serghar_Targost.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/59/7bgx.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yea the bottom picture is a good example of what I was mentioning about the mk5. There is a particular new Death Guard torso which is similar to the top pictures torso. It's on the left on the forgeworld website picture. I'm currently experimenting with which jump pack looks better on the Reavers. I've ruled out the standard mk4 ones as being too small and too subtle, plus I believe there is reference in the books of them being twin turbines? That leaves mk2, mk5 and the Night Lords mk4. I'm of the opinion that the mk2 ones are a bit big on the more slender mk4 bodies. The plastic chaos raptor packs are basically chaosified versions of the forgeworld ones. You could shave off the spikes, although this doesn't give perfect results and is a bit of a pain in the arse. You'll also need to use the back part of the plastic raptor torso as it's a funny specific fit for the pack. You've got the option of the older style metal or finecast chaos raptor packs. These might be more difficult to get hold of and probably no cheaper than forgeworld ones. I've got a few photos of some of my combinations of fw/plastic suits of armour that I'd gladly share if you'd like? It'll have to be some time tomorrow though. For the Warmaster! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 That would be cool thanks. I've ordered some of the mk II jump packs, there's another picture in collected visions where theres a mk IV SoH with the twin turbine pack of the mk II. It was mainly the helmet I liked the most, the almost ww I style german spiked helmets. I kind of like the armour pieces with the eye of horus on them, although I agree the death guard ones may be more correct. I do however have those leather loin clothes, so the death guard ones may get in the way of them, so I'll probably go with the mk IV horus bodies. Atm this is what I am planning, I'm thinking of going with the original mk IV set 1 pads rather than the second set, what do you think though? I figured if I went with the second set they'd look to similar to each other where as if I just have one shoulder pad with the symbol on then the other shoulder pads can have studs or some other design on it, which do you think would be better?: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/deathguardheads.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/soh-torsos.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/mkivrevised.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/sohmkivpads.jpg http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/sohmkivpads.jpg That's the basis, but I'm going to further add the accessories below, but instead of the tigrus bolters I think the phobos bolters may look better, although I'll have the tigrus bolters just incase. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/tigrus-pistols.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/small/tigris-bolters-revised.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 Perhaps I should just keep it simple and just go with the normal reaver squad with the new death guard helmets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Not to put you completely off your ideas.. why not just stick with the Reaver squad in general ? Personally think the squad and cmd unit are real sweet looking. If you are basing it on MkIV but in a non-reaver style, have you thought about bits buying the MkIV legs from the new tactical sprues, and a MkIV Special Weapons set, plus then the pads, torso and heads? This way you can buy just legs instead of buying an entire set of marines (so a quarter of the price and more). Gives you enough MkIV arms to go around 5 sets, with 3 sets of fists/claws and a 2-hand set for chainsword, 2 spare torsos etc. Might then leave with stuff to play with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3595948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminatorAM Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 If you don't mind doing some extra work, you might want to check this out for making MK IV legs. If not, I don't think it would be a big deal if you used the plastic MK VI or VII legs and backpacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3596642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 It's challenging to find a non-costly approach to this. If you look to do more squads, then economies of scale can kick in. I went for a mix of Reavers, specific torsos, heads and pauldrons and MkIV packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3596923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 As promised, a few pics of my interpretation of some of the Collected Visions XVIth Legion. My first time using photobucket with imagshack no longer being free. Please forgive my potential ineptitude; http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/38b69973-d756-4168-8785-983c411f76d6.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/IMG_06311.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/IMG_06321.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/IMG_06331.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/IMG_06351.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/IMG_06361.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/IMG_06371.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x159/geordiesteve/IMG_06401.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3597590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well I ordered some bits and the reaver squad + death guard helmets, however the arms I ordered ended up being handless, my bad, so need to find more arms there's heresy armour ones on ebay but they are all of the same type, so they will all end up looking the same :/ Just had a thought, if I simply put the new heads and the mk II back packs onto the reaver squad and kept them holding melee weapons and bolt pistols, how do you think I should give them bolters? or should I leave the bolters off entirely? May be a problem because I want them to have bolters with the special ammo SoH can use as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3598834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 For hands, you could probably use some of the 40k hands from the likes of assault squads, just cut off the hand from all those plasma pistols you'll probably never use? But yes, it's annoying that there's no option for weapons with hands except the assault type weapons - then you need to cut the pistol away probably. What arms did you purchase? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3599239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Think I got the generic assault squad arms or the arms that come with the mk 4 melee set. http://i.ebayimg.com/t/FORGEWORLD-Space-Marine-Mark-Mk-IV-4-MAXIMUS-5-X-PAIRS-OF-ARMS-40K-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/6tYAAMXQVT9S7oag/$_12.JPG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3599554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Ah yeah I'm with ya. Guess you needed the boltpistols/chainswords to find the missing hands. I have no doubt if you asked around loud enough, people could spare some plasma/bolt pistols and chainswords that have hands already on them for you to slice up and use. Maybe check out bits on ebay for 40k stuff that will have generic hands too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/286902-plans-for-collected-vision-soh/#findComment-3600049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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