Scarion Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 So at my local GW I saw a few guys putting together and painting some Forge World Horus Heresy models, I don't Know exactly what they were but that is irrelevant. I thought these models looked cool and so gave me theidea of starting a Heresy army. I am a compelte novice as far as what models I need and how to play the game and so I hope some of you experts can assist me in starting up a army. I preferably would choose Emperors Children as they seem coolest, but let me know your opinions and hopefully I will succeed in be able to play 30k Cheers guys Scarion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well here we go: Step 1.) Take out a large loan, you're gonna need it to fund your resin addiction. Step 2.) Take out another loan, because well, you're gonna burn through the first like a hummer through high octane gas :D Step 3.) Start small, get the first book Betrayal and a legion tactical bundle because they will be the meat and potatoes of your force, regardless of what type of army you will be playing Do you know what kind of army you want to play with oh her than EC? Do you want tanks? Drop pods? A veteran force? Step 4.) Set a points limit for yourself and go on FWs site and pick out things that you think are cool and you want to use. Step 5.) Preferably, get large orders so you can ignore the wild shipping costs, but work in small projects in order to complete things and not get overwhelmed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwing1511 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Emperors children are sweet. I think your first step would be getting your hands on the Horus Heresy books from forge world. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_Books/THE_HORUS__HERESY_BOOK_ONE_BETRAYAL.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramell Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well, I haven't started a Crusade/Heresy force yet, mainly due to the prices, but depthcharge's advice seems solid to me, especially points one and two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarion Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 Cheers guys! So I will probably buy betrayal for 2 reasons 1-it has the rules 2-its a wicked sweet book. I probably would want a mixture really of veterans tanks and drop pods it all sounds fun! However if the costs are as bad as you suggest then this scares me alot! But I will definitely start small with like a tactical squad and maybe a HQ the same as you do in 40k. Thanks alot this really helps! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 What have I learnt about HH armies?You'll need someone to lead your army, it will be a basic (non-character, unless you see a model that you would prefer!) marine in artificer or cataphractii armour. Get the Praetor set, it's a great set of models.You'll need some troops, two lots of tacticals. They start at 10 troops and have no special weapons, so as the suggestions go for most every army list I see is go large or go home, getting 2x 15-man tacticals is a cracking starter, 2x-20 is icing I guess :) Especially as the 30-man tactical set with weapons and command packs is the cheaper way to do it, add optional shoulder pads of your legion as you see fit.Get the first book Betrayal, or borrow it to create your list ideas to get a feel for what you eventually want, and then buy it when you decide you want to spend weeks reading the fluff and/or need it for gaming/competitions etc.Legion specific troops and other units are very personal and challenging to fit into different list ideas. If you get the core items, you'll not be amiss with whatever choice of units you decide afterwards. Things like Nuncio Vox and Vexilla's are included in the command packs with helmets and powerpacks, there are various ways to create a sergeant with arti armour and power sword, apothecaries can also give your tacticals good staying power. Don't forget to choose the mark of armour that fits your idea of looks - MkIV would suit EC very well for several reasons, but it's a personal call. There is so much choice that anything beyond this needs consideration - mainly due to the loans you'll need as pointed out above Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarion Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 Cheers infyrana. I hope to start saving from this exact moment in time as it look like it's not going to be cheap but hey it is a expensive hobby! :) I will probably start with a few tactical squads and then expand according to what catches my eye. Also games day is on the horizon and I have a feeling that this year is not going to be a cheap one nevermind ;). Lets just hope that the devious sales tactics of games workshop do not work and that I can keep all my money, instead of spending it on say Imperial Knights :) Thanks for the help Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's ok, Forge World only release awesome stuff every Friday, and it's almost always Heresy Stuff. If they release World Eater upgrade kit then wife and baby will have to fight over who gets food next month, Good luck with the EC, I don't think I can add anything others haven't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 To be honest, get the book and a bundle of tac marines. By the time you're done reading the book and painting your bolter huggers you will have plenty of time to save up and figure out what you want. I'm here since the release of the first book and I still have troubles deciding an army and what I want :P You will be able to keep going if you get your guys in batches and do them individually because you will invest more time in the hobby you love. I'm sure the guys at your store have a good direction about what they are doing so talk to them too :) I also recommend for you to look at the Horus heresy army list section too to get a good idea of what you are thinking about. 1850 to 2000 points is like the 1500-1750 points for 40k, so don't think about small squads. Here's also a good place to start to learn about the roles of your guys: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The only real advice I can give you as someone who is on the cusp of starting a Legion force as well (although a fair degree of planning has gone into mine already) is accept from the get go that this project will incur serious expenses, and is going to be for the long term. Betrayal and a tactical squad bundle alone will set you back £230 or your local equivalent before adding any legion specific upgrades or character models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarion Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Wow! That's alot for some tactical marines and book but they are very cool. I will definitely browse around here to see if I can pick up some advice as far as lists go. Thanks for that guys you have steered me in the right direction! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Aye I've got a 26 model 2k force - of which 22 are terminators, 2 are contemptors and 1 primarch... it's set me back (inc. the book) roughly £400+ or thereabouts - the Cataphractii are £276, then extra arms were a further £36 (2 sets) plus 2 contemptors (w/ arms - roughly £50 each) £100, Praetors set £30 and Ferrus Manus £60 'ish - and the big books are £70 - so yeah think long-term project. However I do love them and it's my first completed force in 10 years AND I painted/based in just under 3 months (got Ferrus to do though) - also have a nosey at the Loyalty & Treachery threads in both WiP and if you can find it, the original thread - so hella-inspiring work in there brother :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinholt Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 A few thoughts on general principles: 1 - I agree with the commentary on starting with Betrayal and a bunch of bolter marines. 2 - I do also agree that the HH stuff is a bad place for impulse buys: get the army list, and be a bit more methodical about what you purchase in order to get value for your money. A few thoughts on cost effectiveness: 1 - I know FW sells Heresy-specific vehicles and the old-school heavy weapons, but I am slowly starting a legion force and intend to avoid anything that has a 40k equivalent (I will use the basic rhino, the heavy bolters from devastators, etc.). I know some people prefer the new/old look of the Heresy stuff, but given that the current 40k equivalents were also in use at this point in time for many vehicles (it just depends what Forge World is supplying you) and the HH books themselves reference multiple variants, I think this is an area where you can save money with no real impact to the force. 2 - If you are doing Emperor's Children, you have a unique advantage no other HH force has: you can use many of the parts from current marines, because your guys use the Imperialis chestplates. Keep this in mind - trading with friends for parts from basic tactical squads can get you the Mk 6 or earlier legs, arms, chestplates, etc. These are all acceptable to use in this timeframe. 3 - You can use tactical squads (all bolters other than sergeant) or assault squads as your basic troops. The tacticals are usually regarded as the better option, and the 30-man tactical squad from FW gives you a bit of a discount compared to buying them separately. A great starting place for a legion would be those and one command unit (Praetors or the commander/banner combo pack). Another option, if you love assault squads beyond all reason, is that you can use them as troops, but I would lean towards the tacticals as your bread and butter. I hope that is helpful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Great advice so far, id also say to always order £250+ to get free shipping as it saves a ton! Id look at palatine blades and a captain + banner set for ecs, you could build a blades squad, command squad or even just blinging sergrants ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 If you didn't mind a little conversion work, there's some plastic 40k kits that have a lot of Mk5 "heresy" armor variants in it (Chaos Space Marines) Cut down the horns, chop and reposition the little vents on the backpacks, maybe Green Stuff some plasteel plates or studs in the legs or shoulder pads. They come with Bolters, and options to give them bolt pistols/ccws. You'd have to carve or grind down a lot of chaos Arrows and such but it might be cheaper and could be fun to work on. If GeeDub comes correct with the alledged new Chaos Space Marine models-I got a legion ready force I can do up as XX on the Rickey-Tick (and will so very fast) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yeah the economic way of doing it is rounding up a bunch of cheaper MKVII legs and just getting the red scorpion upgrade kit if you want the heresy look but aren't super kosher about it :) For some reason I like my plastic and resin separate and get a little butthurt when I see plastic with my heresy force but that's just me :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Another simple tip is be patience and snipe on ebay. If you do not mind stripping paint and waiting for a good deal, you will get a horus heresy force cheap. Just do not except the book to appear on ebay anytime soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3599797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarion Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Thanks guys! these tips have definitely helped a lot. I think sniping on ebay sounds like a good idea as converting isn't really my cup of tea but thanks anyway. hopefullyy i will be able to start soon and post my WIP on this wonderful forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3600834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I'd agree that the first step is to acquire the books. From an army list perspective you definitely need Betrayal as this is the main list for a Great Crusade style force. Massacre is also great to have, but you need Betrayal as that's where the main list is. Obviously Massacre contains some cool specialist units and of course tons of fluff... Then design your list. You can use Rites of War or not, and work out what you really want to include. Then you can buy the minis gradually as you complete them... I've done that with my ECs (link in the sig) and I'm 2/3 there! I find it that it helps you stay focused and productive... Try it out! ECs are a great choice btw... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3600855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I've got the books (purely for the read) and with all the great projects around have been tempted to join the crew. My first purchase is looking to be the Mk.II command, a Mk.II Legion squad, Mk.II power weapon set, and some bits for future models, heavy/special weapons, pistols etc. (Mk.III tactical bundle, extra squads, and transports will be my next order after this one). That way I can get a command element, a Praetor, and a Consul (likely a Librarian) made up. (rest of the order is IA2 ed2, Prometheus, Sicarian for my 40k force). Good thing about FW, it takes awhile to put aside the cash for a free shipping order so I'll be able to finish the models by the time I get enough for the next order! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3600947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I'd also suggest thinking about what Legion you want to use - as later books may only have 1 unit if that for your Legion of choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287078-how-to-start-a-horus-heresy-army/#findComment-3601139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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