minigun762 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Has anyone taken a look at which AA choice is better? Point costs are nearly identical and quad Lascannons seem to fill the gap between the Stalker and Hunter's preferred targets. Both add to armor saturation, but the tanks trade overall protection for the ability to pick targets and not fire last. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I've been considering this too. Doesn't the Quad lascannons have interceptor? Even without them I'd consider the quad lascannons as the priority choice. They are very powerful against aircraft. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azash Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Well considering the hunter/stalker are the worst AA options we have available to us I would go with the quad las cannons. The hunter is allot better than the stalker but its still not that great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Quad Lascannon does have interceptor, so that's a big bonus actually. In addition, it helps to negate the "fires last" drawback because you'll likely be blasting targets on the turn they come in anyway. As far as chance to hit Hunter = 0.67 per turn plus 0.33 per turn per miss Stalker = 3.55 per turn QLC = 1.1 per turn So the QLC is accurate enough to reliably force a grounding check each turn on an FMC, something the Hunter can't do. Lascannons vs S7 armorbane missile is close but I think the Lascannon wins out agains AV10/11. if someone wants to run the numbers, that would be awesome (feeling lazy). The Stalker is a very solid choice but the QLC beats it against AV12 thanks to AP2 and higher chance to pen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallodx Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Well considering the hunter/stalker are the worst AA options we have available to us I would go with the quad las cannons. The hunter is allot better than the stalker but its still not that great. But be noticed they shoot skimmer normally. And since we have Taudar everywhere, it's not that bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azash Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Having interceptor is huge...stalkers and hunters snap fire at everything that isnt a flier or skimmer. The special ability of the stalker is just horrible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 I think it's a natural comparison, considering the similar point cost and the fairly similar weapon damage potential. The biggest bonuses for the VWB is interceptor and probably even more important, not using up valuable Heavy FOC slot. I have argued that both the Stalker and Hunter are viable AA options and I still believe that to be the case. Neither is bad, the Quad Lascannon VWB might just be a more well rounded option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallodx Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Having interceptor is huge...stalkers and hunters snap fire at everything that isnt a flier or skimmer. The special ability of the stalker is just horrible. Think the bright side. When I play a fun game I field stalker and it run 12' and fire at two targets. They fire snapshots anyway! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 But why would you do that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
netminder69 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 This VWB is in Stronghold? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepowerofwar Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Where are the rule for the QLC? My mind is blanking out atm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3603990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I believe they come with the model but don't quote me on that! 2 twin linked lascannon shots is pretty much it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3604074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Casman Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Where are the rule for the QLC? My mind is blanking out atm. Pretty sure the rules are in Stronghold Assault and the Firestorm Redoubt box. I don't remember if the Quad Lascannon rules are present in the box for the Vengeance Weapons Battery. I also think Captain Idaho has the right of it - 2 twin-linked lascannon shots with Interceptor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3604126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 The Magos upgrade just feels too expensive. It sounds fluffy but that's a big point jump for the extra chance to hit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287260-quad-lascannons-vwb-vs-sm-stalkerhunter-tanks/#findComment-3604242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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