Chk-Chsr Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Evening, When a Doom Scythe has moved flat out, and a unit assaults it, does the assaulting unit still hit on 3+ considering the vehicle's WS1? Or does a Fast Skimmer moving Flat out increase the to hit roll for any reason? We do not play by Eratta as it just infuriates the both of us (with good reason) so we are going by codex and rulebook only. We finished the game, allowing the terminators to hit on 3+, but want to be sure for future reference that there are no defenses for the Scythe. Logically, it's flying across the battlefield, so it should be harder to hit, right? So far, page 76 of the Dark Vengeance rulebook states that: FIGHTING THE ASSAULT ...all vehicles are treated as WS1, provided they moved, otherwise they are WS0. Paraphrased of course, so I don't get in trouble. As of now, 3+ was correct, unless one of you can find something to prove against it. Thanks in advance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallodx Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Still WS1. But since your house rule a lot, why not play as you like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3603643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 When a Doom Scythe has moved flat out, and a unit assaults it, It's a flyer; you can't assault it in the first place. Did you mean one of the barges or arks? If so, then no, it doesn't change things. Vehicles are either WS 0 or 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3603669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Im not familiar with much necron stuff but would the same thing apply to a space marine land speeder? since its really bookin it I'm supposed to image someone trying to punch it as it flies by....??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3604932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 A fast skimmer is still a vehicle. In Close Combat: - Vehicles are hit automatically if they stay still - Count as WS1 if they move, regardless of how far/fast they do move. - They cannot be attacked at all in Melee if they are a zooming flyer - They are hit like Infantry if they have a WS value (Walkers) There is no advantage to moving quickly (on the ground) when it comes to getting hit in combat, one inch is as good as 12 or even 18. Imagine the Ray-like monster in the underwater scene from Pacific Rim and that's pretty much what happens to a skimmer that gets hit in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3604940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 yeah it still seems a bit odd. I mean I cant image a sqaud of imperial guard trying to punch or even chainsword a moving speeder. Seems like a rule revision is in order Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3606144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 yeah it still seems a bit odd. I mean I cant image a sqaud of imperial guard trying to punch or even chainsword a moving speeder. Seems like a rule revision is in orderWhy would he do that? Vehicles have at least AV 10. With S3 and a CCW he can't do anything against that. Or am I missing something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3606234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Which is why the Guardsman drops a Krak Grenade into an air intake as the skimmer goes past - and boom! 6th edition may not be a perfect rule-set, but many in-game events can be justified with a little imagination. Those that can't usually demand a house rule, and that's what your gaming club should be able to provide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3606440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Which is why the Guardsman drops a Krak Grenade into an air intake as the skimmer goes past - and boom!D'oh, I forgot about krak grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3606649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 It does require those Guard to actually have paid for their Kraks... Most Guard players I know often don't bother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3606718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 ah good idea. didnt think about a krak grenade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3606876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Keep this rules only guys, no tactics or other off topic comments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3607427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Yep, you hit a moving fast skimmer that moved on a 3+ like any other vehicle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287281-fast-skimmers-being-assaulted/#findComment-3609754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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