Silver fang Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hi guys, For a long time I've wanted to do something other than 40k. This is probably not the best place to mention something like that but there you go. I really like the Idea of doing a HH army and the cost isn't a problem as I'm a naturally slow painter. My questions to you all are thus: Do you find collecting and gaming with 30k models and rules gives a greater level of enjoyment than doing so with 40k rules and models? Do you find it limiting in any way? This is actually going to help me decide how I spend my hobby money for the next year. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I've been in 40k for over 13 years now. Having recently begun 30k has renewed a waning interest for the hobby for me. In the gaming side, it's refreshing to play on an even field and forget the non-sense of the current 40k meta. Modelling side, the miniatures are just stunning, and the degree of customization is just "too damn high!". Once I get rolling, I might not return to 40k at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Oh, I disagree. I think this is the absolute best place to mention that You're absolutely making the best choice. 40k is good for occasional bits and conversion ideas. 30k is where you have fun ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver fang Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 OK so that's 2 for 2. Does anyone have anything bad to say about it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I concur with Wolf Pack. The army lists are so much more diverse even being an all Power Armor army. Just do the math; we will have 18 Legions, admech, custodes, IG, and who knows what else. Multiply that by the 4ish normal Rites of War and the odd Legion Specific Rites per book. You end up with over 600 possible options for your marine lists. The best part is you can use the same models for both 30k and 40k with the addition/change of a few models. There are so many fluff builds that you will go broke. Then you have some of the sexiest models on the market. If rumors are true, FW may also be in your local GW store. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfulawful Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 30k is reigniting my interest as well. In terms of fluff and rules, the FW books are to GW's books as FW models are to GW models. Well worth any extra cost. Your question about 30k being limiting in any way is an interesting one, because I actually think 30k is so much less limited. People are building armies, and even individual models, in 30k for fluff and fun, not to be optimized for competitive play. That attitude is reflected heavily in this very sub-forum. Build and play whatever you want, whatever suits the fluff for your chosen Legion, whatever looks cool to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver fang Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 I can feel my passion for the hobby being re-ignited, now the next question is which legion? My shortlist is: Sons of Horus, (not to keen on the colours) Night Lords, (Already got in 40k) Emperor's children, World eaters OR Space Wolves (Already got in 40k) Another quick question if I may: Is it possible to do a termy army in HH? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkyn Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 World Eaters. We have axes. And yes, all termie is possible . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Just remember that for the SoH there's 3 schem s to choose from, you've got the Luna Wolf white/cream, the SoH green and Justerin/Reaver black which is both LW and SoH compatible. As for which Legion, read the Legion specific rules and choose the one you'll enjoy painting. For myself, I'm not running as specific Legion and am just using the core list , but painting my army as DA and SW, divided by gunline or assault units. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I can feel my passion for the hobby being re-ignited, now the next question is which legion? My shortlist is: Sons of Horus, (not to keen on the colours) Night Lords, (Already got in 40k) Emperor's children, World eaters OR Space Wolves (Already got in 40k) Another quick question if I may: Is it possible to do a termy army in HH? Yep: pride of the Legion Rite of War (basically FOC tweaks that adjust your army's nature) - you can take Termies as troops and they are scoring units. Also, I know you didn't list them, but do Iron Hands, do Iron Hands, do Iron Hands :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I can feel my passion for the hobby being re-ignited, now the next question is which legion? My shortlist is: Sons of Horus, (not to keen on the colours) Night Lords, (Already got in 40k) Emperor's children, World eaters OR Space Wolves (Already got in 40k) Another quick question if I may: Is it possible to do a termy army in HH? If you do not like the colours of Sons of Horus why not Luna Wolves? And yeah like so many others Forge World's Horus Heresy books and models have reignited my passion for the hobby. Got really tired of all the 40k nonsense over the last few years but not FW have my full attention. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I mentioned it in another thread but I'll repeat it again since it will be beneficial: Do your research before you commit. You'll want both Betrayal and Massacre because they are quite frankly outstanding pieces of work in their own right (the production value of one of them is greater than the entire codex range combined). They also contain the full list of Legion available units currently out there although that will change with Extinction, but let's focus on Betrayal 1st, that has the generic Legion Crusade list which is a must, Massacre includes other generic bits n pieces like Javelins, Mortis Contemptors and Sicarans. So you've got the books that lists the units, next, read through the specific Legion fluff sections, devour everything you can about them, picking up on themes, motifs and ideas that strike you. As a side note, read any HH books pertaining to that Legion as well to further your understanding since you'll have to bin pretty much everything you though you knew about them - 30k Legions are a completely different beast to 40k Chapters/Chaos Warbands. Plus there's some Legions who won't use generic units (For example the Salamanders refuse to use Destroyers) Ok so you've got some Legions in mind. Now you want to see what models those Legions have available specific to them. Obviously this will only include Legions who've been included in the books thus far but that's the way it goes. Almost there! So you've looked at units you like in the list, picked out a few Legions who interest you and have taken a look at their generic units/characters, there's just 2 steps to go. First of these is the colour scheme. If you for example you dislike red or have difficulty painting black or white that's going to seriously reduce the options you've got available. A Legion force is a monumental investment in time, energy and most importantly money. You don't want to drop a few hundred pounds/dollars/euros etc only to decide you don't like the colour and can't strip it. Paint a few test models and see which you find manageable Finally, you need to make a decision on whether you're prepared to take on a Legion that will not get any love from FW for the foreseeable future. 8 have been covered thus far, 4 are imminent and 6 are going to be covered in later volumes (reliable word is Vol 4 is Thousand Sons, Space Wolces, Sisters of Silence and Adeptus Custodes, Vol 5 is Blood Angels, Dark Angels and daemonic Legions and Vol 6 will have Ultramarines, Imperial Army and Mechanicum - no word on the White Scars at all) Think these through carefully and you'll avoid some of the more serious headaches some have encountered. Oh and by the way the answer is a definite yes to starting a 30k army! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3603953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Aside from all the amazingly cool in-universe fluff the heresy contains, the next best reason to join is that Forge World is what you've wanted GW to be all these years.Forge World doesn't care about keeping their release schedule secret from their consumers: they announce their plans months in advance. Forge World doesn't scoff at product leaks: they leak WIP pictures of product in their newsletter and on their blog regularly. Forge World doesn't rely on sales boosting allies gimmicks or singular gotta have it models: every legion gets extremely cool toys. Most importantly: Forge World employs competent gamesmakers and story tellers that use toilets to piss in instead of the fluff and history of established content. GO!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 More balanced rules, better models, better background, the basis for the entire game... I don't need to sell you on anything, it practically sells itself. 40K is becoming a horrible game to play. It's unbalanced, there's obvious favoritism in the rules, and it just keeps getting more and more out of touch with the background. Forge World handles Horus Heresy with respect, their books play out like an actual military history campaign book, the models are exquisite, and the rules are the best I've ever seen for Warhammer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I agree with the last two posts. FW considers their customers to be important, not commodities to be thrown away once they've shelled out money. They consider balance important, not a sacrifice to the god of profits. Currently, mkIV power armor has the most models; you don't have any other mark of destroyers, bikes and jetbikes. mkII and mkIII thankfully had command sets released recently, and there should be mkV and mkVI at some point in the future. Oh, yeah. Resin warps something mean. You're stuck with Games "Mine is bigger than yours" Workshop if you want Eldar like me, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver fang Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hmm, ok I'm convinced. But I'm torn between my love of close combat and the logic of massed firepower. Red Butchers or Deathshroud? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Deathshroud. I'm biased, but even then their stats are amazing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Follow your gut about what you want to do.I will be doing a 30k army not because of the rules or the figs. I am not a FW fanboy some of their figs are great while some stink and I believe most of their prices are over the top. But the books are well written and have some excellent painting guides. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I like to think of we 30k gamers as warhammer Elitists :D If you don't mind the cost (though many other hobbies are waaaay more expensive) then it is a worty investment. You also never have to worry about updating your models other than adding some stuff when it comes out because there will never be another addition. Especially if you are a slow painter like me, it pays to take your time and make and paint each unit individually because the cost is high. While you await more funds/organs/souls to buy with, you can spend the time doing what warhammer originally was: a hobby. I have found that no 2 armies are the same. They may include some common units, but in the end, everything is costed well points wise and there really is no spam or cheese. 375+ points of destroyer death star dies to 130 something points of predator executioner/magna melta. This game is all about fluff and what models look the sexiest to you. You want an all terminator army? You can do it. You want a jet pack, bike, and flyer army? You can do it. You want your whole army dropping out of pods and bolter-ing the ever living feth out of the enemy? Be my guest. Every minute you spend with customizing your heresy army is an investment. I have yet to find a minute when I don't think about 30k even though it started almost 2 years ago. I still have yet to play a game :D and I can't wait. 30k is the ultimate in beer and pretzel technology. Join us. Part of the ship, part of the crew..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 First off, I've been playing for over a decade and a half. 30k may very well have saved me at the 11th hour from walking away forever, as GW Main began pushing 6th edition, the fluff and the aesthetics utterly strange to me (barring the Imperial Knights, that is a saving grace, though they will work fine in 30k... ;) ). I had totally lost my love of the hobby, then BAM! Got to peek into Betrayal, and I was sold for good. I even went so far as to sell my entire army and every single MK VII and Godwyn bolter bits I had. Gone, their profits going into making my Iron Warriors. That's what 30k has done for me. Second, as an Iron Warrior, I can say that both the cold mathematical calculations of long range weapons, and the heat of close quarters combat in a breach are needed to take a field. Event he World Eaters have massed armour for mid-range shelling. Do both, man. Nothing sounds better than the roar of a chainsword, the percussion of a dozen Medusa batteries echoing behind you, the snap of autocannon rounds over your head, hammering foes from the walls , while you cut down your enemies with cathartic release with every swing. At the end of the day, this is your hobby, and every Legion has plenty of room for a company to be different than the rest. Go with what you love, man, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Only off put for me is the price (which when spread out over a while isn't so bad) and some kits warp like a bastard or it's just a bad set. But forgeworld customer service is great - when I bought an Abaddon and Loken set it was missing Lokens pistol arm, I called them up and a couple of days later the missing parts had been posted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Some great new bundles from FW direct now if you take a look - good way of getting the basic troop options unless you go all terminator. If you do go all terminator - remember that Grave Wardens and Deathshroud don't count as terminators for the Rite of War: Pride of the Legion, so they are not usable as scoring troops. You will still need to use basic legion terminators for that role (Cata or Tart). 30k has definitely given me a renewed modelling interest, but more than anything else, it's about the fluff and history. Between the Horus Heresy novels and the excellent models, the rules for 30k and unit options has expanded the world of space marines into new realms that engages the role playing aspect and reasons for making the army. I'm biased towards Death Guard (Deathshroud therefore, excellent models). The butchers look like people running through fields merely skipping along with their basket of eggs (see thread with image).. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Some great new bundles from FW direct now if you take a look - good way of getting the basic troop options unless you go all terminator. If you do go all terminator - remember that Grave Wardens and Deathshroud don't count as terminators for the Rite of War: Pride of the Legion, so they are not usable as scoring troops. You will still need to use basic legion terminators for that role (Cata or Tart). 30k has definitely given me a renewed modelling interest, but more than anything else, it's about the fluff and history. Between the Horus Heresy novels and the excellent models, the rules for 30k and unit options has expanded the world of space marines into new realms that engages the role playing aspect and reasons for making the army. I'm biased towards Death Guard (Deathshroud therefore, excellent models). The butchers look like people running through fields merely skipping along with their basket of eggs (see thread with image).. I believe that at least one of those units is scoring due to the implacable rule, but yeah they don't count as the minimum troop choice. Basic terminators in any list are scoring anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 depthcharge - correct thank you, the Deathshroud, but they don't count towards troops (HQ command squad or elite options yes) - should have mentioned that more specifically :) Oh wow, it really goes to show how much I have looked at the standard terminator entry (which obviously I haven't), they also have Implacable Advance, wow, I can't believe I didn't bother reading that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 depthcharge - correct thank you, the Deathshroud, but they don't count towards troops (HQ command squad or elite options yes) - should have mentioned that more specifically :) Oh wow, it really goes to show how much I have looked at the standard terminator entry (which obviously I haven't), they also have Implacable Advance, wow, I can't believe I didn't bother reading that... :pinch: Lol don't worry. The shame should be on me. I read Betrayal like the Gospel when I'm on the throne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287288-going-forgeworld-sell-me-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3604164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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