Vengeful Spirit

[Greyall]

He's chained? Damn, I thought he'd just chosen the hold as his cavern...

 

So Abaddon hands a great number of behinds during the fight with the Errants, right? Guess we're starting to see what he's really made of in terms of fighting prowess...

[Emperor's Furor]

@Dusk: Still subject to retcon, though. At the very least I can see Horus doing something about it. At the very very least I hope he does

Angron as a Daemon...I suspect that he'll be a bigger problem than Fulgrim, now, even more uncontrollable than before. Unless the transformation has somewhow taken the maddening effect of the Nails and made him just a melee lover, but whatever was lost with the nails should be replaced with Khorne-juju.

Where is Perturabo, by the way?

Also, I'd keep Ferrus' skull in sight, as well. Hell, I'd wear it on my armour, if I was Horus. Or does he...talk to the thing?

In the warmaster audio drama he talks to Ferrus's skull.

[DuskRaider]

Well they did have the chain Angron up in the belly of the Conqueror using rune wingding magic so he would stop killing his own dudes. He killed something like 300 Astartes just getting him on the ship alone, whilst before the ascension he kept that to a minimum. I'd say he's much more unpredictable and uncontrollable, as just like his new deity he most likely emulates war, anger, and destruction to an extreme.

[Balthamal]

On the subject of Abby, he really doesn't shine in this particular novel. He does great chewing through the nameless masses as you'd expect but the Emperor's avatar of fire guarding Molech pretty much incinerates him. It's even noted his voice is left a rasping his instead of it's powerful tones. And he spends a good portion of the final battle hiding from getting jellyed by an Imperator. When it comes to the KE, he doesn't really prove himself amazing. He put's down Rubio but fails to kill him and has a brawl with the wolf but nothing past that. It's also revealed that Eikos Lamiad put him on his a*** in under a minute for taunting the Scars and Ultramarines for being the decoys to the final strike at Ullanor.

 

Character wise, Horus notes at the end that his ambition has been lit now and he'll soon be at the point where he would want to command a Legion of his own. Ironic how that turns out. Horus Aximand was a much better character tbh, especially now he's back in that frame of mind where he wonders whether Loken was right after all

[Greyall]

Well they did have the chain Angron up in the belly of the Conqueror using rune wingding magic so he would stop killing his own dudes. He killed something like 300 Astartes just getting him on the ship alone, whilst before the ascension he kept that to a minimum. I'd say he's much more unpredictable and uncontrollable, as just like his new deity he most likely emulates war, anger, and destruction to an extreme.

Haha! Make THAT empathy-material, ADB

[Kais Klip]

I got this one, sire. 

 

I don’t know what you’re talking about, Greyall, Angron now has so much father-son time with his little brothers that he can afford to run some good-natured training exercises with the new recruits. 

[Greyall]

Also, don't forget home-deco with the more veteran marines, remember how he asked Khârn for a throne. Now where are those recruits, again...?

 

 

VS again: does the Emperor's Children descent into Slaaneshiness continue to worsen? They were almost a hindrance in Angel Exterminatus.

[Kais Klip]

A passionate campaign drive for each legionnaire having an in-quarter skull pisspot by the next fiscal quarter.

 

And yeah, it gets worst, remember the III legion shattered as soon as the outer palace walls came down in order to hedo their way through the slums. And to think Dorn doubted the effectiveness of human contribution.

[Greyall]

I thought they'd taken their leave without even seeing battle at the Palace, making planetfall on another area of Terra.

 

And how are the Death Guard in general, are they getting more resilient, like Mortarion?

[Marshal Rohr]

Anybody else notice the incestuous twins in the book. I swear I'd read that somewhere else....

[Noctus Cornix]

... What

[Marshal Rohr]

House Lannist...I mean House Devine is run by a pair of twins who sleep with each other and their mother with a face to make Hellraiser flinch. 

[Noctus Cornix]

Seems reasonable. Where is this from, exactly?

[DuskRaider]

I thought they'd taken their leave without even seeing battle at the Palace, making planetfall on another area of Terra.

 

And how are the Death Guard in general, are they getting more resilient, like Mortarion?

I doubt they really touch on Death Guard. We're the redheaded step child of the HH series, it seems.

[Marshal Rohr]

Vengeful Spirit, about a quarter of the way through the book. 

[Noctus Cornix]

 

I thought they'd taken their leave without even seeing battle at the Palace, making planetfall on another area of Terra.

 

And how are the Death Guard in general, are they getting more resilient, like Mortarion?

I doubt they really touch on Death Guard. We're the redheaded step child of the HH series, it seems.

 

Death Guard have had quite a bit of face time, considering Let the Galaxy Burn, Flight of the Eisenstein, and a couple of short stories. Its not any worse than Iron Hands or Iron Warriors.

[Emperor's Furor]

The general death guard legion wasn't covered much, mortarion became a massive hypocrite though by....

By sacrificing 7 Death Shroud on the fly because he heard a familiar voice asking for meat in the geneseed lab, thus summoning Grulgor whose entire being is like a virus

 

[Kol Saresk]

I thought they'd taken their leave without even seeing battle at the Palace, making planetfall on another area of Terra.

 

 

In the Siege of Terra IA article, IIRC it has the III Legion making planetfall and initially participating in the Siege. But a days turned into weeks, they got bored and decided to have therapy about their frustrations with the civilian populace.

[DuskRaider]

 

 

I thought they'd taken their leave without even seeing battle at the Palace, making planetfall on another area of Terra.

 

And how are the Death Guard in general, are they getting more resilient, like Mortarion?

I doubt they really touch on Death Guard. We're the redheaded step child of the HH series, it seems.

 

Death Guard have had quite a bit of face time, considering Let the Galaxy Burn, Flight of the Eisenstein, and a couple of short stories. Its not any worse than Iron Hands or Iron Warriors.

They really haven't had too much. Not compared to Legions like Word Bearers, World Eaters, Emperor's Children... heck, even Iron Warriors. I don't count Flight of the Eisenstein much as a Death Guard novel, but it's better than nothing. 

[Kol Saresk]

Iron Warriors have had one novel, one short story, one "arch-villain" stance and one cameo. Perturabo shared the novel.

 

Death Guard have had(from personal reading; excludes Vengeful Spirit) one novel, two arch-villain stances and one short story. Mortarion shares one novel and one arch-villain stance.

 

Night Lords have one novella, one arch-villain stance, one cameo. Curze shares the one arch-villain stance while having his own novel and his own unique arch-villain stance.

 

Emperor's Children have two novels, one novella, one cameo.

 

White Scars(excludes LE novella(s)) have one novel, one arch-villain stance, one cameo.

 

Iron Hands, one side feature(Fulgrim), two short stories, one arch-villain stance and one novella. It could be heavily debated the novella is either shared with Ferrus, or belongs solely to Ferrus.

 

And that's off the top of my head.

[MasterofMankind]

This isn't because BL hates DG, but because before their transformation they were basically bland marines. Even the Ultramarines had the whole theoretical and practical thing. Before their transformation by Nurgle, there wasn't anything unique to them or their primarch other than their endurance

[Marshal Rohr]

This isn't because BL hates DG, but because before their transformation they were basically bland marines. Even the Ultramarines had the whole theoretical and practical thing. Before their transformation by Nurgle, there wasn't anything unique to them or their primarch other than their endurance

 

Have you read their FW background?

[Kol Saresk]

This isn't because BL hates DG, but because before their transformation they were basically bland marines. Even the Ultramarines had the whole theoretical and practical thing. Before their transformation by Nurgle, there wasn't anything unique to them or their primarch other than their endurance

Before Know No Fear, there wasn't a theoretical/practical to the Ultramarines. You want to see a Legion that had nothing before it got written by BL, look no further than the Ultramarines.

 

Every topic of "What would you like to see in an Ultramarines army?" Struggles because frankly, other than the Evocatii, a few special characters and the Terminator bodyguard of Unremembered Empire, they had nothing.

 

Reason being is because in 40K, they set the standard and the standard was "be as tactically flexible as possible by not being specialized."

 

The Death Guard have their "endurance", their sense of justice that all tyrants must be deposed and their relentless will to keep going. "My arm! Oh well, tis but a flesh wound. Fear not brothers! I can still bite!"

 

They are the unstoppable tide that will keep going until they have died or claimed victory.

 

The Ultramarines are just big.*

 

*I do not mean this as an insult to the Ultramarines. Just that as a Legion, once you get past "big numbers" and "big number of compliances", they were kind of left undeveloped. Their 40K background mostly relies on the aftermath of the Heresy to make them unique as they become the exemplars of the Post-Heresy Space Marine Chapter and fight the Tyranids.

 

I sincerely do hope they get more development and as I draw a blank on how to make their HH armies unique, I patiently await to see what is done with them and hope it is only befitting.

[randian]

Except with our power of reader's foresight, we already know that Fulgrim and his Legion are nigh useless on Terra.

I put the blame for Horus' defeat at Terra squarely on their shoulders. If he had another full Legion engaged in military action he would have won in my opinion.

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

 

Except with our power of reader's foresight, we already know that Fulgrim and his Legion are nigh useless on Terra.

I put the blame for Horus' defeat at Terra squarely on their shoulders. If he had another full Legion engaged in military action he would have won in my opinion.

He would have won regardless, he only lost because he dropped the void shields on his ship so he could be the one to kill the Emperor. His pride destroyed him.