Koriel Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 That has to be the most characters jammed into one HH book so far. Or maybe they just want to give a description for who's what, no matter how small a role they play. I can almost see it before me Aaron A Aaronsson: pedestrian , anatoly hive Bob: maintanance worker.... ... and so on and so forth ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Delta-312256-Gamma-Epsilon - the servitor who maintains the auspex of Brother Bobbius outside of battle. You never see him, but you get get see the auspex fly out of Bobbius' hand as he gets shot. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koriel Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 In a few years we might have to buy two books, one for the actuall story and one for the dramatis persona Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Delta-312256-Gamma-Epsilon - the servitor who maintains the auspex of Brother Bobbius outside of battle. You never see him, but you get get see the auspex fly out of Bobbius' hand as he gets shot. ;) Guardsman-028495927472917-Jeff.... Is that you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPaladin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Super excited for this, I've liked most of McNeill's recent books, its just his Ultramarines that I can't handle. His ____ of Mars series is just fantastic, here's hoping some of that magic seeped in here. Oh! And his story in The Imperial Truth was great. Very excited to see whats next for House Devine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Want this book now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Hey guys, another hardcover is being released! It's about the Iron Warriors, and starts with them leaving Olympia, for the last time. No Turning Back Olympia Has Fallen By Graeme O'Neal DRAMATIS PERSONAE Aargeus - Olympian; Deceased Abacia - Olympian; Deceased Abermis - Olympian; Deceased Abrixxes - Olympian; Deceased Absoli - Olympian; Deceased . . . *cough cough* 472,389 pages later *cough cough* Zyrdebadios - Olympian; Deceased Zyrdius - Olympian; Deceased Zzeadus - Olympian; Deceased Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Funny. Like a crutch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 This looks amazing. Also, am I the only person who really liked Angel Exterminatus?! So many Knights-Errant... I didn't mind it. It was just that, it seems McNeill keeps going for getting as any big names as possible into as small a place as possible. And it sort of creates this, not expectation, but sense of a coming together of massive events. And the thing was, with Angel Exterminatus was that everything was ready to come together, but then it really didn't. It all just sort of flatlined. With Storm of Iron, you had the sense that you were literally in the middle of a storm. With Angel Exterminatus, it was like you were watching a documentary of the storm. There was no sense of story, just "this is what happened". Meanwhile, with the grade of "Chapter's Due", it's basically a "This is how we made the documentary while watching news clippings of the storm." One of the things about the Heresy is that its supposed to be huge. An entire galaxy's worth of stories. But so far, McNeill has seemed pretty comfortable with shrinking that scope. And honestly, while it was cool watching Sharrokyn give a smackdown to Lucius, the obvious OPness of his nature is rather hard to hide. It seems one of the issues people seem to have with it is that most of the characters are from the 40k Iron Warriors series, so everyone knew they wouldn't die. I haven't read the 40k Iron Warriors so they were all new to me, so it still had that kind of suspense, or the expectation that you were talking about. I think I agree with you actually, the final part of the book, with Fulgrim ascending and the fight between the marines, the loyalists, the eldar ghosts etc, kind of fell a bit flat. Mainly Fulgrim's ascension bugged me, too many colours and spirit stones flying around made it sound like something from a video game. The reason I liked it so much was more the characterisation of the Iron Warriors. Before this they were one of the Legions that turned for no particular reason other than daddy issues, along with Mortarion. This was really fleshed out more during AE (same as Scars does for Mortarion) and it really gave the IW a real sense of character. Perturabo wasn't just the grim siege master he was before, he was an architect that could create beautiful structures to rival anything the Imperium had, but was being tragically overlooked and made to slog it out in the trenches. My favourite parts were the IW equivalent of the Lodges, with their siege games, and when a couple of them take a trip over to the EC ship. It was one of the best development/characterisation of a Legion in the whole series, in my opinion anyway. Now, after taking this thread wildly off-topic: VENGEFUL SPIRIT WOOO YEAHH When Russ asks Loken to go back to the Sons of Horus, does he mean find them with his Knights-Errant, or infiltrate them? Also is Russ honestly thinking he can take on the whole traitor force with just his Legion?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Funny. Like a crutch. Hyperbole usually is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3606869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 It seems one of the issues people seem to have with it is that most of the characters are from the 40k Iron Warriors series, so everyone knew they wouldn't die. I haven't read the 40k Iron Warriors so they were all new to me, so it still had that kind of suspense, or the expectation that you were talking about. I think I agree with you actually, the final part of the book, with Fulgrim ascending and the fight between the marines, the loyalists, the eldar ghosts etc, kind of fell a bit flat. Mainly Fulgrim's ascension bugged me, too many colours and spirit stones flying around made it sound like something from a video game. The reason I liked it so much was more the characterisation of the Iron Warriors. Before this they were one of the Legions that turned for no particular reason other than daddy issues, along with Mortarion. This was really fleshed out more during AE (same as Scars does for Mortarion) and it really gave the IW a real sense of character. Perturabo wasn't just the grim siege master he was before, he was an architect that could create beautiful structures to rival anything the Imperium had, but was being tragically overlooked and made to slog it out in the trenches. My favourite parts were the IW equivalent of the Lodges, with their siege games, and when a couple of them take a trip over to the EC ship. It was one of the best development/characterisation of a Legion in the whole series, in my opinion anyway. Yes. The Lodges. The Word Bearers came and we sent them packing says Falk. Only thing First Heretic came before saying that they do have lodges called Circles and Xaphen was with them a long time. Way to read your colleagues works Mr. McNeil. :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 perrin use the KE for loken to come home and infilltrate the sons of horus leave a trail, and the russ and the rout intend to smash horus. by themselves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The problem with Angel Exterminatus is Perturabo being trapped doing a dance of "I think Fulgrim will betray us but I will follow him into the Eye because of loyalty. Okay, I'm almost positive Fulgrim will betray us, but I'll follow him into the Eye because of destiny. Okay, it's 100% certain beyond the shadow of a doubt Fulgrim IS going to betray us, but I will follow him into the Eye because we've still got a hundred pages left to go before the end." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The problem with Angel Exterminatus is Perturabo being trapped doing a dance of "I think Fulgrim will betray us but I will follow him into the Eye because of loyalty. Okay, I'm almost positive Fulgrim will betray us, but I'll follow him into the Eye because of destiny. Okay, it's 100% certain beyond the shadow of a doubt Fulgrim IS going to betray us, but I will follow him into the Eye because we've still got a hundred pages left to go before the end." Ya know, I'm actually surprised that McNeills whipping boy, Lucius, isn't in this novel. I was *really* looking forward to having YET ANOTHER unknown character come beat him. I think Graham's objective is to have at least one legionary from each legion beat Lucius beyond a reasonable doubt.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Not sure I understand this whole thing with Lucius being beaten by everyone. To my mind all I can remember is Loken in the training cages and Sharrowkyn in AE? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Must. Have. Summary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Not sure I understand this whole thing with Lucius being beaten by everyone. To my mind all I can remember is Loken in the training cages and Sharrowkyn in AE?Pretty much. The fluff, before BL's series, was that Lucius was undefeated until he was slain by an EC Lord Commander long* after the Heresy. Not only was this his first defeat, but his first death. The stick in the mud is that when we get to the series, Lucius has gone from undefeated to "any determined opponent can defeat him, if the author so decides." The defeat with Loken can be easily written off since it was 1.)sparring and 2.)Lucius assumed that since it was sparring, it was going to follow a certain of rules. Rules that Loken did not agree to. 3.)Loken even admits that if Lucius had taken the fight seriously, he would have lost. But it gets topsy-turvy when we get to Sharrowkyn. Here we have someone who is an unknown, says he only has "the basic combat and stealth training of the Raven Guard" and yet he pretty much very easily took out not only a well-known swordsman, but one who was equal to Sigismund by being "undefeated". Which considering the way some hobbyists like to include power levels, well let's just say that I'm surprised there wasn't some sort of "XIX Uprising" like there was after Prospero Burns. * - Long is relative to the fluctuations of the warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Don't forget Tarvitz in Fulgrim, also by McNeill. Oh and wasn't there a Thousand Sons marine who could beat him after learning all the blade moves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 I think Lucius tracked down that Thousand Son and showed him how wrong he was. iirc Lucius was about to kill Tarvitz when a squad of loyalists turned up and tried to shoot Lucius to bits, forcing him to retreat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 I think Lucius tracked down that Thousand Son and showed him how wrong he was. iirc Lucius was about to kill Tarvitz when a squad of loyalists turned up and tried to shoot Lucius to bits, forcing him to retreat. Eh I actually thought Tarvitz started beating the snot out of him once he realized that he just had to punch him in the face, then he hopped off of Lucius to let the other Astartes take shots at him. I do feel bad for old shifty face because he is beaten now, but at least he is beaten by a guy who is just blatantly OTT, the victory is a little hollow. Sharrowkyn has 2++ reroll able plot armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 iirc Lucius was about to kill Tarvitz when a squad of loyalists turned up and tried to shoot Lucius to bits, forcing him to retreat. You recall incorrectly. The relevant part is Galaxy in Flames p 376-378. Tarvitz jumps on Lucius, punches him in the face repeatdly, then shoves him away so the newly arrived loyalist squad can shoot at the alleged "greatest swordsman in the III Legion". Whereupon Lucius shows that while he can't fight worth a flip against named characters he has great skill at running away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Maybe that is his real talent. There is always an escape route. If you corner him and kill him, then all you have done is provide him with yet another escape. Through you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 And sorry for being off topic, but what was the whole deal in AE with Lucius dying, but then waking up in the apothecarium? I mean he didn't take over anyone's body...but what the hell, is he a perpetual now in a twisted fashion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Maybe that is his real talent. There is always an escape route. If you corner him and kill him, then all you have done is provide him with yet another escape. Through you. Unless before you kill him you loudly proclaim "I take no pleasure in defeating you!" as Our Favorite Raven Guard did. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Okay guys, I think we've done enough AE bashing. Let's just wait wait for the preferably non-spoiler reviews on whether or not its the next Storm of Iron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/2/#findComment-3607420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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