Clone Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I don't think BL could handle Ferrus Manus' revival any worse than GW already has the state of his soul.Care to elaborate? I'm stick in Heresy World and haven't read much on that "other" game Apparently, haven't read the actual source material, when Ferrus Manus died his spirit become a greater daemon called the Sapphire King. The Sapphire King coincidently seems to hate the Iron Hands and wants to destroy them, or at least tempt them into Chaos. EDIT: Ninja'd by Wade It's so obvious now, why didn't anyone else come up with this genius idea before? Give that man a raise! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3700634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshal seanisi Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I don't think BL could handle Ferrus Manus' revival any worse than GW already has the state of his soul.Care to elaborate? I'm stick in Heresy World and haven't read much on that "other" game Apparently, haven't read the actual source material, when Ferrus Manus died his spirit become a greater daemon called the Sapphire King. The Sapphire King coincidently seems to hate the Iron Hands and wants to destroy them, or at least tempt them into Chaos. EDIT: Ninja'd by Wade It's so obvious now, why didn't anyone else come up with this genius idea before? Give that man a raise! Where is this from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3700773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 The clan Raukaan codex supplement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3700792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 "No waaaaaaay" Â "No waaaaay" Â "Reeeeeaaaally??" Â I feel like Kyle in that southpark episode about 9/11 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3701376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 The clan Raukaan codex supplement.  http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/kieran_m/1377264860120_zpse62dda41.jpg  WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3701379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Â Â I don't think BL could handle Ferrus Manus' revival any worse than GW already has the state of his soul.Care to elaborate? I'm stick in Heresy World and haven't read much on that "other" game Look at your Primarch. Now look at me. Now back at your Primarch. He's a Keeper of Secrets. Â What is he doing? He's tempting his Legion to be more cybernetic and emotionless. Â Anything is possible when Matt Ward writes your fluff. Â Â You are a beautiful being of light Wade, dont let anyone tell you differently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3701447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmagog Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Was it not some of his essence and not his spirit/soul that became the sapphire king? Could be proof of the emperors deal with the chaos gods? Just sayin'! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3701940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 That makes a difference, gog. Ferrus had a harsh streak, it's not that shocking to find it resonating badly in the Warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3701953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Was it not some of his essence and not his spirit/soul that became the sapphire king? Could be proof of the emperors deal with the chaos gods? Just sayin'! IIRC, the sapphire king came to existence due to the emotions that Ferrus was feeling when he died. Basically all the emotions he suppressed believing that they made him weak, were released when he got offed by Fulgrim. (I'm not saying it's good mind you) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3702002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I didn't say that I want to see Tarvitz or any other Isstvan III Loyalists brought back in some ridiculous deus ex machina... I merely pointed out a possibility (although one I don't want to see come to pass). So no need to be snide about it. I have been out on this limb for years, and i continue to hold out hope for those last 100 who were with Tarvitz. And you should not be surprised when those who cant stand the grimdark of the HH getting a few more lights, bemoan the idea. Like throwing a match into a room filled with fireworks. When Tarvitz and Co do make their return, the 40k interwebs will have to be taken down. You might be right about Murder, i will have to dig up your reference. This might be another bread crumb for poor lil lost Tarvitz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3702104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 You know, I would have preferred it that all who fought for the Loyalist cause on Isstvan III died and stayed dead there. Bringing them back cheapens the poignancy of their sacrifice.  Back on topic: the one that stuck out while i read VS is the amount of "product placement" involved - the subplot of the House of Devine was intriguing in its own way, but I think it is better suited to stand on its own as a novella. I also wish that the Blood Angels and the Ultramarines garrison would have put up a better showing as a last stand. The Ultramarines in this novel does not measure up to their (equally doomed) peers in Betrayer or Know No Fear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3703241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazguire Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 The Blood Angels did not need to be in the book at all, as they contributed precisely nothing to the book. They were added with little thought and little idea. If the book was longer, and written with more coherent direction, then the Blood Angels could have been an interesting side-plot. As it stands they did as much as the Ultramarine garrison did to the book's plot; nothing of note and could easily have been deleted in editing without affecting the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3703268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 The Blood Angels in VS are throw away toons. However they set the precedence that the events on Signus Prime affected all Blood Angels and not just the ones there. It also demonstraights how the Red Angel can be used as a weapon.  Meaning not an important part of VS but has the potential of being a spoiler for upcoming books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3703403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 The Blood Angels in VS are throw away toons. However they set the precedence that the events on Signus Prime affected all Blood Angels and not just the ones there. It also demonstraights how the Red Angel can be used as a weapon.  Meaning not an important part of VS but has the potential of being a spoiler for upcoming books.  Their entire presence in the book could have been a totally separate short story featuring a small garrison force of Blood Angels being tempted by the Red Angel.  They brought nothing at all to the story.  And I would definitely agree that surviving Istvaan III cheapens the actions of those who stood against Horus there.  They went down screaming their devotion in the faces of their traitor brethren, and should have been allowed the dignity of ending their stories there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3703422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 But then you need a convincing story that has Horus turning his new shiny weapon loose on a small garrison of Blood Angels. Their conviently being on Molech does that and shows the infighting between daemons nicely. Without the need of anymore story beyond "Hey there are some Blood Angels too". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3703437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 On another note, how does Fulgrim maintain his presence in the material universe following his daemonic makeover? I mean, whenever a daemon appears outside the Warp, don't they need a physical shell? Fulgrim's flesh-and-blood body was destroyed by Perturabo during the events of Angel Exterminatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Presumably, the same way other daemons return. Being banished isn't permanent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Makes you wounder what happened to Angron since he got banished for 10,000 years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Was he banished for ten thousand years, or banished and didn't come back for ten thousand years? Considering he is a Daemon Prince, the main object of his focus is the Great Game that goes on in the Warp between the Gods, and not the material realm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 It has not been 10k years since his banishment. So it has to be banished. I will need to look up the time when I get a chance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Well, we know he's on his daemon world of Goreswirl in the Eye of Terror shorlty before the 13th Black Crusade. So the notion of banishment might be quite relative. Or he managed to counter the banishment somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I thought it was only 1,000 years? Or was that Mortarion? I dunno either way primarchs post 30k suck and only serve as punching bags to make normal marines so OP HE KILLED A PRIMARCHS OMGZZZZ like Draigo. Meh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Now that you say it, I think it's 1000 years, indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Mhmm, yeah, people just like to think it's 10,000 years cuz he hasn't done a damn thing sense. Disbelief, I suspect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Not 10 000 and not 1000. One hundred and a day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/25/#findComment-3704517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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