DuskRaider Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 So wait, Mortarion doesn't seem at all disturbed by Grulgor and the whole 'Chaos Gods' thing? That seems like a stark contrast to the White Scars book. Why does he kill the Deathshroud and Apothecary? I'm so confused and a little miffed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 So wait, Mortarion doesn't seem at all disturbed by Grulgor and the whole 'Chaos Gods' thing? That seems like a stark contrast to the White Scars book. Why does he kill the Deathshroud and Apothecary? I'm so confused and a little miffed. It wouldn't even match up with his view on sorcery and daemons back in A Thousand Sons when he was urging the Edict into action. I think what McNeill is trying to do is show that in the two years between Scars and Vengeful Spirit is that Mortarion has begun to show his hypocritical side. The problem is, that there seems to be no progression from the first state to the second. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castrmen Orth Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 we may get more of that background and fleshing out in the supposed death guard book that iirc james swallow is doing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Need this book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 The Emperor did what on Molech? Side note, I've no idea how to do spoilers sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 morty khan called him out on prospero for being a hypocrite and now finding himself in the company of the sorcerors etc so perhaps he's rolling with it? he seems to embrace the plague, but perhaps not aware it's connect to papa nurgle/chaos gods yet? he's on the path to corruption so to speak emperor came to molech pre-unity wars, found a warp gate, did the deal with the chaos gods for a share of power to create the primarchs, cut them out, pissed them off i think by the end of this book, horus will be talking to the big 4 and not a messenger Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I'm not a fan of the deal plot line, I really hoped it would never surface Thanks for the spoilers though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 morty khan called him out on prospero for being a hypocrite and now finding himself in the company of the sorcerors etc so perhaps he's rolling with it? he seems to embrace the plague, but perhaps not aware it's connect to papa nurgle/chaos gods yet? he's on the path to corruption so to speak Well he eventually becomes a daemon prince so rolling with it is not just a natural outcome, but the inevitable. But, where's the progression from point A to point B? Calgar: [*spoiler]content[*/spoiler] but without the * Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3608636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 finished it house devine finally give in to the serpent cult thanks to fulgrim they go traitor in the pivotal battle of molech albard has killed his mother, brother and sister, then has twisted visions of slaying a dragon, which is actually an imperator titan our perpetual was with the emperor when he went into the warp gate under molech after cheating on the chaos gods he could only close the gate and not seal it perpetual is there to seal it she almost does it before horus impales her on his lightning claw horus goes in. meets the red angel and we later find out that he's there for an eternity and beats every champion and army thrown at him through right of conquest the power is his horus is now supposedly a god, he's aged, changed in stature and seems terrifying, but doesn't show off any powers KE get caught on the VS and a big royal rumble goes down they admit they're setting a trail for russ horus doesn't seem bothered not all their markers and waypoints were found though so whoever attacks the VS should find an easy way in loken admits he wants to go back to his legion, and horus genuinely wants him back but his legion (the luna wolves) is dead fighting horus kills qruze the raven guard, white scars, emperor's children and iron warriors KE die space wolves, iron hands and an ultramarine who was about to be sacrificed survive targost gets killed, but the daemon takes him, it's samus grael noctua is also killed, and tormageddon jumps ship from his luperci into him so he's back in the mournival KE ship's pilot blows out the window and saves our boys horus lets the refugee ship escape, to spread fear and let terra know what's coming the road to terra is open horus is now on an even footing obviously these summaries are from skim reading and don't tell the full picture an awesome book though, up there with the best Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I know this is pushing the story forward but if it categorically states that the Emperor did a deal with chaos gods then it's effectively destroyed any credibility he had left. Don't get me wrong, it's good there's a possibility and strong hints from the daemons to the traitors, but to make it fact? It seems the Black Library plan to make the Emperor into a complete and utter tool is nearly complete. All they need to do now is for him to gleefully kill Horus for daring to usurp his power for it to be complete. I hope it's still just hinted at. IMO Edit: sorry, thanks Hopkins. I may not like what I've read but it's awesome to be able to read it at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vile Siren Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Thanks hopkins! definitely feel like I want to read this book now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 BL should be paying you hopkins you've just sent demand for this book into overdrive Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 QRUZEEEEE Not sure how I feel about this ending. The whole Horus thing is strange, won't really be able to make a decision until I read the actual book. Shocked that Qruze has died though, wow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 regarding the emp it doesn't go into detail he bargained? i dunno, but took the knowledge/power and closed the door then started the whole secular thing to keep people away from the warp and its powers so it's not like he's team chaos, he just pulled their pants down and now they're pissed off horus now has the same power, but by right of conquest, not by deceit i hope we get a book like aurelian to see what horus saw/did and learned of the emperor also, before the perpetual dies, she tells horus that no matter how evil he thinks he is, a small bridgehead of good will remain, and to remember that at the end Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Ok, that seems sensible. It was always said that the Emperor used warp energy to make the primarchs it it was supposed to be pure, uncorrupted energy. If they've left it possible for both outcomes that's cool. Thanks again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 What happens to the Perpetual? Does she come back again or does Horus somehow burn her out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 she comes back. like they always do on the refugee ship fleeing to terra she actually mentioned john as well as oll Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Wasn't Vulkan supposed to the Gatekeeper or something like that? Perhaps it means here rather than the webway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castrmen Orth Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 yeah could be, always thought they meant the webway gate on terra with magnus sat in the throne maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think that's what everyone thought. But here we have some sort of gateway to the warp and chaos gods, with a perpetual as some sort of guardian... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 the emperor left a huge garrison on molech and lots of wards to keep anyone away from the gate and went as far as mindwiping his sons during the great crusade to keep it hidden but it was a last minute rush job to get a perpetual to seal the gate before horus got there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Ok, cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 finished it KE get caught on the VS and a big royal rumble goes down they admit they're setting a trail for russ horus doesn't seem bothered not all their markers and waypoints were found though so whoever attacks the VS should find an easy way in loken admits he wants to go back to his legion, and horus genuinely wants him back but his legion (the luna wolves) is dead fighting horus kills qruze the raven guard, white scars, emperor's children and iron warriors KE die space wolves, iron hands and an ultramarine who was about to be sacrificed survive Just wanted to ask Does the novel go into a bit more detail about the Knight Errants? Just interested to find out more on the Iron Warrior who become a Knight Errant. Looking forward getting Vengeful Spirit novel :D IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 KE i think they're mostly crusader host, not snatched or defected from traitor legions. the iron warrior is so deadpan and really rubs the other guys up with this truth bombs. there's a raven guard sniper, an EC swordsman, white scars medic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Is anyone else thinking the Perpetuals are the new spin on the shamans that reincarnated to make the Emperor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/6/#findComment-3609351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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