Sevatar Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Somebody remind me about any lightning tower related backstory 100 Blood Angels and a few hundred Ultramarines are on Molech So they do well against the Traitors/survive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3609865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think Perpetuals are simply another genetic/soul niche on the same level as Pariahs in that both are exclusive to the human race. Don't forget that Oll Persson was running around in the Illiad (?) which is before the Emperor's "birth". It's why the Perpetuals consider Him a peer; he just has extensive mind tricks that they don't, as well as ambition. Know No Fear is hazy in my mind so I may be off on the details, but I'm pretty sure on Persson coming before the Big E. I may be wrong but the siege of Troy would be about 1000BC. Emperor is supposedly born in 8000BC. Unless that part of Realms of chaos has been retconned Emperor definitely came before the Iliad, which was around 1200BC, or at least based on events from 1200BC. I think there has been hints that the Perpetuals pre-date the Emperor, though I can't recall specific quotes or which book they were in. The Emperor is probably a Perpetual, but is so much stronger than the ones encountered so far. I think the shamans were definitely Perpetuals (reincarnation), but maybe not all of them agreed about merging together to form the Big E, so the Perpetuals running around now are those that didn't want to merge. It's also possible that they are by-products of Old One manipulation/experiments/cross-breeding. The Cabal, which is at least made up of the inheritors of the Old Ones power, have the means to turn a human into a Perpetual. @hopkins Who sends the Perpetual to close the warp gate? Is she already there or is she sent by the Emperor, or the Cabal? . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3609868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 re: perpetual doesn't say specifically the big E sent her, but must be, as she was with him originally, and he showed her how to seal it other legions blood angels face off against the red nagel, but rather than give in to the red thirst or black rage (i forget which is which) they kill themselves ultramarines acquit themselves well, but are finished defending the warp gate someone mentioned old ones this chamber on molech, they allude it was built by something ancient and non-human Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3609875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 KE, Perpetuals and hints at the Old Ones... this is going to be the best HH book ever Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3609885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 So... The Emperor had a one night stand with the four Chaos Gods at the same time and ran away as soon as he was sure he was pregnant with twenty children? That's awkward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3609905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 So . . . the Chaos Gods are those guys on Maury or Springer who just found out they're the father and actually just want to be in their sons' lives, if only the Emperor would let them? Man. I knew this was a dysfunctional family, but I had no idea it was that dysfunctional. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 So in the simplest of terms the Horus Heresy is a really violent custody battle? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 In the grim darkness of the far future, there are still messy affairs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 WE Need new authors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 WE Need new authors. Bit random. What's wrong with McNeil? And we do have new authors, Chris Wraight is relatively new and wrote Scars, which is great. You won't get many new BL authors writing HH books because it's the flagship series right now, so they can't afford to give lesser established authors a chance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 From the last little spoilers I've read put it this way I wanted to Barf!!. I like some of McNeils work and others so just my take I have read almost every BL book in print so I exxpressed an opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Wasn't having a go, everyone is entitled to their opinion Just wondered why you thought that. I agree that some of the last spoilers make it look a bit... meh, especially the bit about Horus, but the rest looks good. At least it's advancing the story though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I'd rather a static but good story over a poor forward moving one :) but I think Hopkins said it was good so hopefully it'll be a good one that advances the story (ambrosia). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Wasn't having a go, everyone is entitled to their opinion Just wondered why you thought that. I agree that some of the last spoilers make it look a bit... meh, especially the bit about Horus, but the rest looks good. At least it's advancing the story though! I know did'nt mean to sound that way but a bad taste is a bad taste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ok, that seems sensible. It was always said that the Emperor used warp energy to make the primarchs it it was supposed to be pure, uncorrupted energy. If they've left it possible for both outcomes that's cool. Thanks again Where is this said? I've always been under the assumption that a deal was made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I'm curious about the pronunciation on 'Luperci.'I've always pronounced 'Lupercal' as "Lew-per-kal' rather than 'Lew-per-sal.'But is it 'Lew-per-kai' or 'Lew-per-sigh?' Depending on how close imperial gothic is to Latin... It should be loop-er-kee, or loo-per-kee. C in Latin is never soft, and given how much imp goth mirrors Latin, that's how it ought to go. It's a made up language, in a made up setting, though, so imagine it however you want Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 these spoilers and my thoughts are from powering through the book. don't take it as gospel it's a strong book it's moving the story forward, putting horus on a more even footing some cool backstory on the emperor it's got primarchs one of the coolest battles in the series so far and the knights errant have come in from the shadows of the audio dramas into the proper novels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 But is it more comparable to Angel Exterminatus or Storm of Iron, in terms of quality? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 more AE than storm of iron but i love both of the books in different way, being a lord of iron fan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ok, that seems sensible. It was always said that the Emperor used warp energy to make the primarchs it it was supposed to be pure, uncorrupted energy. If they've left it possible for both outcomes that's cool. Thanks again Where is this said? I've always been under the assumption that a deal was made. Ok, slight misremembering but it says Realms of Chaos, Lost and the Damned, pg 178 "The Primarchs were to be shining examples of humans free from the taint of corruption. The energy of the uncorrupted warp would flow through them as it flowed through the Emperor himself, invigorating them and a conferring special powers such as were possessed by the shamans of old." It then goes on to say that the chaos powers learnt of the plan (suggesting they weren't aware of it before). So it doesn't say uncorrupted warp energy was used to make them but it's suggestive that they weren't involved. The deal bit comes from daemons doesn't it? Although this is OLD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAstartes Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Just finished mine as well, really enjoyed - gonna sell my book now, I'm sure someone else would like to read it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 PM'd you SirAstartes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3610929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I have a question for those who have read the book regarding Varren. I am wandering if there was any description of him? I have been thinking that Varren dose not have the Butchers nails and cant find any information that convinces me he has them. Dose this book touch on this topic at all? Dose he seem to be under the effect of the Nails? Eye twitch? Uncontrollable fits of anger? Brain augments? Any help would be great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3617287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=1080 From Sword of Truth, Garro is watching Varren: "Garro knew the stories of the 12th legion, of their pain blocking brain implants and their blood soaked way of war but he'd never seen it so close at hand." EDIT: Sorry LLW I just realised you're the same poster from Warseer that asked this and then didn't like the above evidence when it was presented, wouldn't have posted these again if I had realised sorry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3617621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=1080 From Sword of Truth, Garro is watching Varren: "Garro knew the stories of the 12th legion, of their pain blocking brain implants and their blood soaked way of war but he'd never seen it so close at hand." EDIT: Sorry LLW I just realised you're the same poster from Warseer that asked this and then didn't like the above evidence when it was presented, wouldn't have posted these again if I had realised sorry Yeh i have seen the information you posted here and there. I am asking about any information about Varren in the New book Vengeful Spirit. Any information one way or the other could end this debate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/8/#findComment-3617662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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