Blindhamster Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 well... Garro Sword of Truth is official and it's pretty clear, so whats to debate really? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3617664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 well... Garro Sword of Truth is official and it's pretty clear, so whats to debate really? Yeah, I have to mirror the confusion. If it says he witnessed the Nails firsthand and the first time he witnessed it was watching Varren, then it seems rather case closed. It'd be like debating whether or not Tarvitz had his head cut off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3617789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 well... Garro Sword of Truth is official and it's pretty clear, so whats to debate really? Yeah, I have to mirror the confusion. If it says he witnessed the Nails firsthand and the first time he witnessed it was watching Varren, then it seems rather case closed. It'd be like debating whether or not Tarvitz had his head cut off. Not sure if typo or spoiler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3617885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 well... Garro Sword of Truth is official and it's pretty clear, so whats to debate really?Yeah, I have to mirror the confusion. If it says he witnessed the Nails firsthand and the first time he witnessed it was watching Varren, then it seems rather case closed. It'd be like debating whether or not Tarvitz had his head cut off. Not sure if typo or spoiler. If you haven't read Galaxy in Flames then you are behind the times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3617892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Saul got carpetbombed in GiF, it was Tarik who lost his head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Saul got carpetbombed in GiF, it was Tarik who lost his head. Exactly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 You said Tarvitz had his head cut off though when it was Tarik, think that's what's confusing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 No, I said it would be like debating about whether or not Tarvitz got his head cut off. There's a difference as we know the debate ends with "it doesn't". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vile Siren Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 A question for those that have read Vengeful Spirit So what is Horus' reaction at seeing Fulgrim a daemon prince? Is he surprised, angry? Happy? Also When Fulgrim is fighting in the book is he using 4 swords? 3 swords and a whip? singing opera and dancing? I am an EC fan and I just want to know how he is portrayed in the book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 How are people reading this now? :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It was released early at the Black Library Live event. I managed to get a copy, read it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not my favourite in the series, but it's definitely up there with the best of the series. Nice to see the Sons of Horus take center stage again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 am up to page 400ish (didnt have chance to clock my bookmark this morning) its a rather good read so far i'll tell you. a couple of lessons why being arrogant is bad, a good couple of battles involving the knightly houses and decent primarch screen time. the knight errant story thread running through this isn't really convincing me that it has a point, but nowhere near the end yet so it could redeem itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3618908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Last 138 pages. Book finished. Bloomin epic! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3620859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Did the Knights Errant pull it back at all or did it still feel out of kilter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3621320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 they did indeed pull it back. had to force myself to get back in to the book between them and some other contigent of loyalists that left me a bit "well what was the point in that?!" however everything soon got back on track and theres even a little bit of on "aww" man tears moment in there. i do hope i'm being both vague and useful simultaneously! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3621366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 It's appropriate Now I just wish they'd get around to releasing the ebook of the :cuss thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3621399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Keyaetus Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 How goes the Loken and Aximand fight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3641669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 So just read this, and my first impression of it was that it achieved a point but that it was full of a lot of stuff that needn't of been incorporated or was done poorly. I mean, the Blood Angels were a side show, so were the Ultramarines, so was Mortarion which was a worse portrayal of him than Scars, so was Fulgrim to a point. The Blood Angels seemed to be there to reinforce the reason for the Red Angel to be there, but he needn't of been there, anyone could of been "ambassador" of the gods, I mean McNeill could of brought back Ingethel, he brought back Samus so why not her/it. Mortarion had no soul in this book, I mean you could of swapped him for any other generic Primarch he was that plain, he only seemed to be in there to bring back grulgor who needn't of been brought back because when he did come back he basically did gardening on a massive scale, there was no reason for it, especially when what we got in return was Mortarion readily killing some of his Deathshroud within seconds of him hearing a voice who asks for flesh, so much for the guy who despises sorcery and necromancy. Considering this was apparently straight after Scars was set, since Horus questions why Mortarion looked so roughed and he attributed it to the Khan recently battering him, the change is character is quite drastic. Also the Emperor seems concerned about Khan, but by this point the Khan had already chosen sides, perhaps the message hadn't got to the Emperor but why ask Malcador to watch him then, how can Malcador watch him and not realise he's already chosen sides and fought off the Death Guard around Prospero? How did Horus know the seeds of corruption had been present on Molech in House Devine for such a long time that it was ripe for Fulgrim to go in and convince House Devine to betray the Imperium? How when Horus didn't even recall what was on Molech a minute ago? I mean he had just learnt about it through the "library" on Dwell and brought Fulgrim with him to Molech with the express reason of accomplishing this? Either I missed something or it just seemed an awkward reason to explain their betrayal, I think it could of been done a lot better. Then there's the Ultramarines, i.e generic cannon fodder used to make it seem like the Sons of Horus had a challenge. Any Sons of Horus causalities came across as meaningless despite the amount that were dying, Abaddon barely acknowledges it when two or three of his his legions elite Justaerin fail to appear after a crash, doesn't even give their names, I mean bits like this which are the difference between indepth writing to just bolter porn. There's times when the way characters communicate becomes to ordinary, Horus saying stuff like go to hell etc kind of didn't feel right when I read it. When it comes to the Knights Errant, Emperor's Children are the Red Shirts lol for some reason in Loken "pathfinders" there was a Emperor's Children who had a couple of bits focused on him such as Loken looking at his bolter and thinking it was his keepsake from his original legion, but it's not and he pulls out a sword made of xeno-bone kind of like the sword Lucius made from the mega-arachnid on Murder, but then he literally gets killed off screen and all you get is the apothecary shaking his head when asked about him. When it comes to the Knights Errant the Emperor's Children don't do well, I mean in the audio drama where Garro picked up Varren they got royally done over as well, poor red shirt Emperor's Children Was the a reason for the perpetual to be there? I think Graham tried to humanise perpetuals by presenting one who actually cared for kids but is there a reason she didn't just seal the portal ages ago? Was the Emperor planning on making another trip into the warp through it, why was it left the way it was when she was basically living a life on Molech, why wasn't it the first thing she did? Why was the cave with the Fiery Angel better guarded than the portal itself, why weren't there six or seven of them things defending the portal? Why was that Ultramarines gladius the bane of daemons and the possessed? A lot of things just seemed pointless or awkwardly included. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I haven't read it yet but I thought it was set two years after Scars? There's apparently a Death Guard novel in the works by James Swallow that explores Mortarions change of heart regarding Chaos and sorcery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFH Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 That's my main problem with the heresy: narrative jumps all over the place. It was better in the earlier series when things happened chronologically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Spoilers @Perrin It's very confusing. In the prologue Mortarion mentions that he failed to get the Khan to his side but dialogue with the Emperor implies that this happens during the events of UE. There's also character continuity problems. Mortarion acting weirdly,in the prologue he is disgusted by Fulgrim but then sacrifices his Deathshroud to summon Grulgor. Abaddon seems more like a caricature, getting angry over nothing and not caring for his forces. Just like every McNeil book it falls short near the end. The climax and final fight aboard the Vengeful Spirit is very stale, with half the KE getting killed in mere minutes while Horus just stands to the side doing literally nothing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilmittens Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Boot sounds okish, what worries me more then anything else is the fact they raised the darn price to $40 american from $30.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I haven't read it yet but I thought it was set two years after Scars? There's apparently a Death Guard novel in the works by James Swallow that explores Mortarions change of heart regarding Chaos and sorcery. Yeah you'd think but then again it reads as if he's only recently had his battle with the Khan also during this lapse in time the wolves were able to escape the alpha legion after we last saw them in Scars and have reached Terra but then the Emperor warns Malcador to watch the Khan for his motives but by then the Khan had already fought Mortarion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Any idea in what context Mort and Big K fought? Mort is my 2nd favorite primarch of all time, would like to see how he gets on in combat with that big Ol scythe of his. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 the Khan went to prospero to find out what happened to Magnus, Mortarion was there and tried to convince him to join Horus, the Khan refused and they fought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287439-vengeful-spirit/page/9/#findComment-3665996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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