daboarder Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 hmm so, Lord kit I think combo'ing the soul stealer with the Rage relic or the possessed one is really going to give us some cool options. And the 2+ Nurgle Bike lord just got WAY tougher if potentially less killy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 hmm so, Lord kit I think combo'ing the soul stealer with the Rage relic or the possessed one is really going to give us some cool options. And the 2+ Nurgle Bike lord just got WAY tougher if potentially less killy But if you were already running Lc/Pfist? You are now a Happy Happy player. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 My DV lord probably wouldn't mind trading the spineshiver & eternal warrior for Krannon's kit, minus the plasma pistol. Might pick up the mark of slaanesh to keep the init boost, or the mark of nurgle for a buffer against instant death from fists & hammers. Would cost a fair bit more, but if I make the shift I'll have some points to spare from dropping vets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gratan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I am a little saddened. I had hoped they would have limited Marks in some fashion... All I am hearing is people taking Nurgle characters... Which really doesn't seem all that fluffy... But again, I guess that doesn't really matter to anyone anymore... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah, when your basic book is pretty much despised your looking at any kind of rules change as food to the starving... If it makes you feel better, as a Daemons first, CSM second player, I wont be using this. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gratan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah, when your basic book is pretty much despised your looking at any kind of rules change as food to the starving... If it makes you feel better, as a Daemons first, CSM second player, I wont be using this. I wouldn't see a problem if you were a Mono-Khorne army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah, when your basic book is pretty much despised your looking at any kind of rules change as food to the starving... If it makes you feel better, as a Daemons first, CSM second player, I wont be using this. I wouldn't see a problem if you were a Mono-Khorne army.Then you shouldn't have too much of a problem with me since I hate Nurgle and cult units just aren't fluffy enough for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonhand Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If this codex was called "Codex Word Bearers" no one would complain. Well many still would, but less. However it's called Crimson Slaughter, and it's clearly very inline with Word Bearers... So just play it like I am, as word bearers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If this codex was called "Codex Word Bearers" no one would complain. Well many still would, but less. However it's called Crimson Slaughter, and it's clearly very inline with Word Bearers... So just play it like I am, as word bearers. If this was Codex Word Bearers and people were happy with it, personally I'd be disappointed that people expected so little of the XVII Legion after making such a fuss. But that's just me. I dunno. I'm kind of hyped for the Crimson Slaughter. Or maybe I'll make a DYI..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Disappointed that people expected so little of this supplement that I am hyped for. How does that make sense, man? Whatever, in either case I'm happy for WB players, and Chaotic Chaos players in general, nice to get some new possessed rules and whatnot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 word is that if you take the possessed relic you may only join possessed units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 So wait. Except for Votlw, we can take any cult unit as troops with appropiate HQ, AND take possessed troops? I would have guessed, that in typical GW style, they would reduce the options, and say that you'll have to choose.I like this, means you can far easier choose between more offensive relics (main book) and a bit more defensive/interresting options (crimson slaughter). 1 more day and we know it al for sure :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Hmm, a Divination Sorcerer, a cheap Herald of Tzeentch and solid shooting units can be a nutcracker in my area, provided that I find a solution to the knight spam that is soon to flood the tables in my area. I am eagerly waiting to see the Hellbrute and the Exalted Flamer dataslates if those can help me a bit. On a side note the CS supplement would at least allow me to make a proper possessed lord... a long time wish of mine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Wade Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 provided theres no sneaky crap like , units may not purchase VotLW, I think this is good. wordbearer players should be pretty happy. possessed troops with a half descent table (no idea what happens to embarked possessed who roll beasts though) and the ability to turn a HQ choice into a "possessed" and buff Dark apostles a little.... Still dont know why they didnt just go with word bearers Night lords players can be fairly happy with the army wide fear too and there is the potential for 1ksons to finally get access to div I'm a NL player and I don't see why I should be happy about not being able to purchase VotLW. This supplement is meh at best, there's nothing new and main book problems are not adressed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I am a little saddened. I had hoped they would have limited Marks in some fashion... All I am hearing is people taking Nurgle characters... Which really doesn't seem all that fluffy... But again, I guess that doesn't really matter to anyone anymore... Fluffy hasn't really worked outside of the Black Legion and Iron Warriors since 3.5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Here's what I've heard so far. >Crimson Slaughter can ally as Battle Brothers with Chaos Space Marines>All models in the Crimson Slaughter Detachment have Fear.>Choose one unit of Chosen to be upgraded at +10pts. Gain Preferred enemy.>Possessed are Troops. Roll a d3 at the start of the CS players turn.>1 - Unit and Vehicle if embarked are Shrouded>2 - Unit type becomes Beast>3 -Gain a 3+ invulnerable save and Rending>Warlord Traits>1. Warlord and unit gain Hatred, extra bonuses against Dark Angels>2. All enemy units within 12" of the Warlord suffer a -2 to Fear tests>3. Warlord has Rage and Furious Charge, but must charge attempt to assault if within 12">4. Warlord and unit gain Crusader>5. Enemy models in base contact with Warlord take d6 S3 AP - hits at the beginning of each assault phase>6. Warlord has Shrouded>Relics>1. Replaces a Power Maul on a Dark Apostle S +2 AP4 Concussive and all CS units in 6" gain Zealot>2. Soul Siphon, gains powers based off of enemy models removed in close combat. Effects last the rest of the game 1. +1S 3. AP 2 5. +1S 10. Instant Death>3. Furious charge, Hammer of Wrath and Rage>4. Gain Divination and can re-roll failed psychic tests. No Deny the Witch bonuses>5. Cannot be taken by a Daemon Prince. Gains 2+ save and It Will Not Die.>6. Gain Daemon, Fearless, and Fleet, and gains the Crimson Slaughter's Possessed mutation rolll Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Hmm Multiple units of Nurgle Spawns Multiple Maulerfiends A few Giant Spawn Possessed as troops Killy HQ Khorne Dog allies Khorney guy on jugger ally Daemonette allies ... ...and so on... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayniac Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Wellp, definitely interested in this then. Although I will 99% trade effectiveness for fluffy, so that means none of this MoN spam since that doesn't fit the Slaughter. Not even sure about Possessed since they are fairly pricy ($$ wise, but points too). Being denied VotLW makes sense to me, since the Slaughter have only been renegades for like 70 years at most. The rest sounds fairly cool, so I'm going to have to come up with a fluffy way to include some daemon engines because I like how the *Fiends look, and of course the Helchicken looks so cool I must have one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If this codex was called "Codex Word Bearers" no one would complain. Well many still would, but less. However it's called Crimson Slaughter, and it's clearly very inline with Word Bearers... So just play it like I am, as word bearers. If this was Codex Word Bearers and people were happy with it, personally I'd be disappointed that people expected so little of the XVII Legion after making such a fuss. But that's just me. I dunno. I'm kind of hyped for the Crimson Slaughter. Or maybe I'll make a DYI..... Well, I think you should be disappointed people expected so little of a Chaos warband called the Crimson Slaugther too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I don't think it is disappointment , there just weren't many people waiting for a CS codex . From a purely mechanical point of view it doesn't matter what it is called just as Zhukov said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer le Boucher Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Well color me surprised, i completly blocked the Rending part of the 3rd result on the Mutations chart! I was usung up till now the BL supp to make my Chosen squad troop, but i think i will switch to CS, Chosen squad with Khârn +PE, with a Juggerlord with Soul Siphon, 2+, IWND and the Deamonheart... My 2 favorite HQs are becoming more killy and one is becoming more durable... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I'm still debating which one I want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The BL-supplement is totally useless for me. I don't like VotLW in general (well I like the rule, but I don't think it's worth the points we need to pay for it), so having it forced on the entire army just ruins the supplement for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I'm still debating which one I want. The CS one . Even if you never touch possessed [you don't have to take them , unlike vets and BL] , the relics are much more better. IWND and a +2sv brings our lords in to range of IH sm chapter masters with eternal shield . And that is just one relic . even if the book had no possessed changes . no chosen and just the divination relic , people would use it anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Indeed, the armor and the access to Divination alone would warrant that most of the chaos lists will be with Crimson Slaughter as base. On the other hand, if I take a Nurgle lord with the relic and play it as Crimson Slaughter I think I still have the access to Plague Marines as troops. In the end all depends on the wording of the rules and the price of the relics. If even half of the rumors are true than the BL supplement will be just another nice looking book on the shelves of chaos players while Crimson Slaughter will be the norm. I think I will try to play an Undivided army first, I think it is high time to begin some testing should the rumored Dark Vengeance campaign prove to be this summer event but still I think that while the book sounds good it is bad that it was dedicated to a renegade chapter rather than to a traitor legion. Well we shall see tomorrow what fares... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287502-codex-crimson-slaughter-yup-gw-really-hates-us/page/29/#findComment-3621374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.