codex crimson slaughter.... yup, GW really hates us.

[Kol Saresk]

 

Can we drop the Legion/Nightlords/pidgeonhole-debate please? It's way offtopic.

In a topic that is "GW hates us" pretty much everything is off-topic since negativity isn't allowed to be a topic.

[Wayniac]

On the bright side and semi back on topic, I am likely picking the book up tomorrow if my FLGS has it :D

[Kol Saresk]

 

On the bright side and semi back on topic, I am likely picking the book up tomorrow if my FLGS has it :D

I pre-ordered the electronic version for my phone so hopefully I can download it tonight at work and then read it first thing in the morning. Crimson Dawn and what little background there was in Dark Vengeance have piqued my interest in the background so I want to see what they did with it and just what was expanded upon.

[Wayniac]

On the bright side and semi back on topic, I am likely picking the book up tomorrow if my FLGS has it

I pre-ordered the electronic version for my phone so hopefully I can download it tonight at work and then read it first thing in the morning. Crimson Dawn and what little background there was in Dark Vengeance have piqued my interest in the background so I want to see what they did with it and just what was expanded upon.

I'm just hoping the background expands on just what made them evil because I certainly didn't get the "Heartless, evil killers" vibe from Crimson Dawn. Also since Crimson Dawn was basically a retcon I wonder which version the supplement will use.

[Kol Saresk]

On the bright side and semi back on topic, I am likely picking the book up tomorrow if my FLGS has it

I pre-ordered the electronic version for my phone so hopefully I can download it tonight at work and then read it first thing in the morning. Crimson Dawn and what little background there was in Dark Vengeance have piqued my interest in the background so I want to see what they did with it and just what was expanded upon.

I'm just hoping the background expands on just what made them evil because I certainly didn't get the "Heartless, evil killers" vibe from Crimson Dawn.

Well, I don't think it was quite meant to go that far into their fall. But then again, an entire Chapter that realized it was slaughtering innocent civilians and then went on slaughtering innocent civilians while trying to cover up with excuses like "We were too late to save them from the Heretics" or "You're right. Those are bolter wounds. They must have been executed for knowingly harboring cultists." and not to mention burning the entire planet to hide the evidence... Night Lords these guys may not be but in some ways they're worse than the Marines Malevolent.

Personally, I'm kind of intrigued by the fact that we see a conspiracy between the Four Powers(or at least three of them) in order to make this fall happen.

First the Third Captain gets waylaid in the warp, resulting in the wounding of the Scout-Captain. Then the tzeentch-daemon attempts to lure them to the planet. The temporary Scout-Captain who has been corrupted by a Slaaneshi daemon sword is used to convince the Chapter to go. Then there is the illusion used to convince the Sabres everyone is a Cultist instead of just the Balethu. And the finishing touch, a curse from Khorne that has them being haunted by the voices of everyone they killed.

Actually it wasn't a retcon. The Balethu were there, but they were hiding amongst the populace. I guess the transition was supposed to be that by the time we reach Dark Vengeance, the voices of the Balethu are in ascendance so they're all we see.

[Wayniac]

On the bright side and semi back on topic, I am likely picking the book up tomorrow if my FLGS has it

I pre-ordered the electronic version for my phone so hopefully I can download it tonight at work and then read it first thing in the morning. Crimson Dawn and what little background there was in Dark Vengeance have piqued my interest in the background so I want to see what they did with it and just what was expanded upon.

I'm just hoping the background expands on just what made them evil because I certainly didn't get the "Heartless, evil killers" vibe from Crimson Dawn.

Well, I don't think it was quite meant to go that far into their fall. But then again, an entire Chapter that realized it was slaughtering innocent civilians and then went on slaughtering innocent civilians while trying to cover up with excuses like "We were too late to save them from the Heretics" or "You're right. Those are bolter wounds. They must have been executed for knowingly harboring cultists." and not to mention burning the entire planet to hide the evidence... Night Lords these guys may not be but in some ways they're worse than the Marines Malevolent.

Personally, I'm kind of intrigued by the fact that we see a conspiracy between the Four Powers(or at least three of them) in order to make this fall happen.

First the Third Captain gets waylaid in the warp, resulting in the wounding of the Scout-Captain. Then the tzeentch-daemon attempts to lure them to the planet. The temporary Scout-Captain who has been corrupted by a Slaaneshi daemon sword is used to convince the Chapter to go. Then there is the illusion used to convince the Sabres everyone is a Cultist instead of just the Balethu. And the finishing touch, a curse from Khorne that has them being haunted by the voices of everyone they killed.

Wow... would you believe that I never put all of those pieces together?

It never occurted to me that Ragnald was waylaid in the Warp to force Murdok's injury, thus making Riegler the temporary Captain just in time to vote on the Chapter going to Umidia

That makes total sense, and yeah I had glossed over the fact that they eventually figured out the "cultists" were innocent people, and yet still slaughtered them to cover it up.

I never figured out that Riegler was corrupted by the Slaaneshi sword though... unless it was his dedication to "perfection"? The blade was from an Emperor's Children Marine after all...

[Kol Saresk]

 

I never figured out that Riegler was corrupted by the Slaaneshi sword though... unless it was his dedication to "perfection"? The blade was from an Emperor's Children Marine after all...

 

That's because it was a much more subtle corruption than Fulgrim and the Laer sword. Here all we see is Reigler helping the Lord of Change lure the Chapter by breaking the tie that the Crimson Sabres should respond to the cult on Umidia. For the good of the Chapter.

 

And that when he realizes that most of the people they are slaughtering are civilians, he is again influenced to attempt to hide the evidence. For the good of the Chapter.

 

Ironically, he did this in a manner that sped up the slaughter.

 

And when he goes after the Lord of Change, the sword made him pick it up instead of his normal power sword. And afterwards he never lets it go since it was such an effective weapon.

 

And then we see where it influences him to yet again break a toe and effectively silence the one person who could have helped save the Chapter, Sevarion Kranon.

 

The last we see of its corruption is when Reigler decides "Screw it, we're going to embrace this change but we're going to do it on our terms."

 

I think that it the bargain between the sword and the Lord that the Lord spoke of. Help lead the Crimson Sabres to Umidia and help spread the canker from within.

 

[Uprising]

So GW gives us a new model, decent/good rules, probably some new hobbyist, and new fluff, then we degrade into more and more wishing for 3.5 glory days and debates of what other people want to put into their armies.  This is getting old guys, I am just so happy we get some new toys for the long war. 

[Kol Saresk]

 

So GW gives us a new model, decent/good rules, probably some new hobbyist, and new fluff, then we degrade into more and more wishing for 3.5 glory days and debates of what other people want to put into their armies. This is getting old guys, I am just so happy we get some new toys for the long war.

Well it'd really help that if every time we finally started to move away from it, someone didn't bring it back up. Just saying.

[Sception]

 

 

So GW gives us a new model, decent/good rules, probably some new hobbyist, and new fluff, then we degrade into more and more wishing for 3.5 glory days and debates of what other people want to put into their armies. This is getting old guys, I am just so happy we get some new toys for the long war.

Well it'd really help that if every time we finally started to move away from it, someone didn't bring it back up. Just saying.

 

This.  If you're going to make a whine post about whining posts, make sure that the last several posts were actually whining posts first.

[Gratan]

Yo Dawg! We heard you like Whine posts! So we put whine posts in your whine posts so you can whine while you whine

[Scribe]

So GW gives us a new model, decent/good rules, probably some new hobbyist, and new fluff, then we degrade into more and more wishing for 3.5 glory days and debates of what other people want to put into their armies.  This is getting old guys, I am just so happy we get some new toys for the long war. 

 

3.5/Legion lists IS the Long War.

 

Crimson Slaughter wasnt even a twinkle in some fluff writers eye when I was complaining about CSM lists.

 

Feel free to continue the discussion though. I'll be here. Forever.

[Nehekhare]

I'm glad we have this new hatethread :)

[Minsc]

 

 

Can we drop the Legion/Nightlords/pidgeonhole-debate please? It's way offtopic.

In a topic that is "GW hates us" pretty much everything is off-topic since negativity isn't allowed to be a topic.

 

As you know, this topic is first and foremost about Crimson Slaughter, not about 3.5/Nightlords/Novels. 

 

IBTL I guess. I would like to talk about the supplement, but I guess this instead is the new hate-thread, and as such it will probably end up in the same way as the rest of them...

[Hellios]

Crimson Slaughter... worse then the Marines Malevolent? No.

 

A) The MM don't need to be tricked into killing innocents by the Chaos gods.

b) After killing innocents the MM don't feel shame, or the need to cover it up. Those too weak to defend themselves, and fight the foes of the Emperor deserve death.

[HJL]

honestly the crimson slaughter book looks more like a word bearers book than anything else.

[Alkana]

It kinda turned into WB/NL+divination. Also with Possessed, because why not?

 

I do like the idea of the Soul Siphon though. It'd be nice if it was a daemon weapon too, but that may be asking for too much.

[Uprising]

off topic: Well, not all of us can be on the forum for an extend period of time, and seeing 30 pages with 1/2 being about 3.5 glory days, and legion fluff, can be irritating when the topic is about a renegade warband/chapter. 

 

On topic: The rules are going to be of good use for my Word bearers, and I have assemble ten possessed today in preparing for the new codex.  I am going to love having my traitor guard with their knights, allied/led by my Dark apostle with it small squad of loyal possessed.  I can have a possessed lord, finally!  The relic are good and surprise, they are priced well.

Yes, understandably the CS are not well know or played, but this will help enlarge our player base, get more attraction from GW which leads to more kits and updates, and help those poor souls of new players with getting into the hobby.  We are a starter army now, let consider the vets as well as the new people. 

[Scribe]

lol good call on that IG + Knight THEN allied to CSM. If I didnt love my Bloodcrushers...

 

EDIT: Is that legit? I dont have the Knights book handy...but if so, well thats pretty wicked, if I didnt want to stab out my eyes over the concept of an IG army.

[Warsmith Aznable]

Knights are Come the Apocalypse for CSM, and since every detachment has its own relationships it doesn't work.

[Scribe]

Damnitttttttttttttt.

 

I WANT TO USE YOUR MODELS GW WHY ARE YOU STOPPING MY FUN.

 

Caps to the max.

[Prot]

Okay ignoring the whining stuff it has come to my attention I am extremely weak minded and clicked on every 'spoiler' tag in the thread.

 

Now that I know these spoilers (and have essentially ruined any element of surprise for myself) can anyone tell me the source of all this Crimson Slaughter background?

 

 

So I'm extremely weak willed, but you obviously clicked on this didn't you? Ha! This makes you even worse than me because this isn't even a spoiler!!

 

[Plague Angel]

Obviously, Dark Apostles are a Word Bearers thing, and they do make use of Possessed.

 

But when I think of Word Bearers and what makes them such a memorable Legion, I think of their faith, their zeal, their devotion to all of the Ruinous Powers. They aren't just Chaos Undivided, they're Chaos Ascendant. Dark Crusade got that really well, with the invocations getting each god in, very creepy.

 

The Crimson Slaughter has none of that. But sure, pretend this is a good enough Word Bearers supplement.

[crimsonhand]

 

 

 

 

If this codex was called "Codex Word Bearers" no one would complain. Well many still would, but less.

However it's called Crimson Slaughter, and it's clearly very inline with Word Bearers... So just play it like I am, as word bearers.

If this was Codex Word Bearers and people were happy with it, personally I'd be disappointed that people expected so little of the XVII Legion after making such a fuss. But that's just me.

 

I dunno. I'm kind of hyped for the Crimson Slaughter. Or maybe I'll make a DYI.....

Well, I think you should be disappointed people expected so little of a Chaos warband called the Crimson Slaugther too.

Let me put it this way. How long has the Chaos community been screaming and whining for "Legion rules"? Quite a while, right?

 

But when I suggest "Hey let's settle for supplements that represent Renegades and Warbands."

 

I'm told "No!".

 

So when we get here where more than a few are suddenly "I can use this rules for Renegades to represent my Legions!" it is a bit surprising since all of the whining gave me impression that the bar for Legion rules had to be pretty high.

 

Instead its Possessed troops, a better Dark Apostle and free Fear.

 

 

DUDE the Legions are DEAD. GW is not making a Legions book. If you want that, you should be playing Horus Heresy. I love World Eaters. They aren't playable in 40k currently. However they are great in 30k. 

[daboarder]

 

 

 

 

 

If this codex was called "Codex Word Bearers" no one would complain. Well many still would, but less.

However it's called Crimson Slaughter, and it's clearly very inline with Word Bearers... So just play it like I am, as word bearers.

If this was Codex Word Bearers and people were happy with it, personally I'd be disappointed that people expected so little of the XVII Legion after making such a fuss. But that's just me.

 

I dunno. I'm kind of hyped for the Crimson Slaughter. Or maybe I'll make a DYI.....

Well, I think you should be disappointed people expected so little of a Chaos warband called the Crimson Slaugther too.

Let me put it this way. How long has the Chaos community been screaming and whining for "Legion rules"? Quite a while, right?

 

But when I suggest "Hey let's settle for supplements that represent Renegades and Warbands."

 

I'm told "No!".

 

So when we get here where more than a few are suddenly "I can use this rules for Renegades to represent my Legions!" it is a bit surprising since all of the whining gave me impression that the bar for Legion rules had to be pretty high.

 

Instead its Possessed troops, a better Dark Apostle and free Fear.

 

 

DUDE the Legions are DEAD. GW is not making a Legions book. If you want that, you should be playing Horus Heresy. I love World Eaters. They aren't playable in 40k currently. However they are great in 30k. 

the funny thing

 

 

The Crimson slaughter mentions that the LEGIONS are  the most organized and powerful forces in the eye....NUB NUB!!!