asmodai is he worth the points

[ZONKEY]

Hi,

 

asmodai worth the points for his instant death weapon, has any one tried this chaplain in battle?

[Cpt_Reaper]

I tried him recently. I am just not allowed to use Chaplains of any sort. Drop-podding multi-melta dreads keep finding them

++additional++ He did insta-gib a Trygon Prime though in another battle

[ZONKEY]

Would he be good in a duel?

[Chaplain Lucifer]

Considering that it's difficult to put him into battle with something that he can instakill and not be killed by, no he's not worth his points. However he is still an IC, gives bonus to his squads and has fear special rule. So if you have those extra points you can field him instead of a regular chaplain, just do't go out of your way to make his special weapon work putting him and his squad into danger.

[Cpt_Reaper]

I agree. Asmodai is a force multiplier, not a beatstick. His lack of artificer armour doesn't help his case. It was a sheer fluke mine even wounded a Trygon and in hindsight using his crozius would have been smarter. Leave the punching to other characters.

[ZONKEY]

I would be better fielding Ezekiel?

[SvenONE]

I disagree about the force multiplier. RWGLs, Banners, Darkshroud, Darktalon Stasis Bomb, Ezekiel's Book, Azrael, Belial/Sammael (for their FOC shenanigans), etc. those I see are force multipliers.

 

All you really get out of him is Zealot, which bothers me that we have in the first place considering all of our HQs are already fearless from Inner Circle, so really all we're getting is hatred. BoR is a specialist weapon so you can never get the +1 from your pistol. I find Fear to be a largely useless trait since most of the things you WANT to be feared are either fearless of have a high enough LD that they may as well be, and all the things susceptible to fear are at lower initiative steps anyway. He's actually the one who makes the most sense to have The Hunt, but that's probably our worst warlord trait in the table (Rapid Manuever close second).

 

Maybe if BoR had AP3 on it or a +1S OR if he gave furious charge I'd say he's worth it, this isn't a Huskblade we're talking here, it's basically an ID chainsword that can't gain an extra attack.

 

To me, you're better off taking a Company Master or a Int Chaplain, you can roll on their warlord trait to get Furious charge, you can give them better armor or take a relic (CM can take the wildly overpriced Monster Slayer and still come in cheaper) as well as more useful wargear. You can even take a dirt cheap regular chaplain (put him in that landraider with some TH/SS and LC terms and you're good to go.

 

Asmodai is supposed to be a SUPER FEARED interrogator chaplain, who's going to come and interrogate the CRAP out of you and most likely kill you anyway once you "repent", but his entry hardly does that for him.

 

I know I poo-poo on our codex a bit, but seriously he's our worst entry. Use him in a game where you opponent is running a cypher and act out your wildest scenarios, otherwise leave him at home I say.

[march10k]

Yes.  But if you're not making bikes or terminators troops, skip the named characters and save the points.  Azzy, Bels, and Sammy are the only ones that are "worth it."  Zeke just costs way too much for what he does.  You're better off with a generic librarian.  And Asmodai...well, an interrogator chaplain  on a bike or in TDA is a beatstick...Asmodai isn't.  And that's the whole point of taking a chaplain...rerolls on the charge, and the statline of a company master (albiet with different wargear options: no storm shield!)

[SvenONE]

Yes.  But if you're not making bikes or terminators troops, skip the named characters and save the points.  Azzy, Bels, and Sammy are the only ones that are "worth it."  Zeke just costs way too much for what he does.  You're better off with a generic librarian.  And Asmodai...well, an interrogator chaplain  on a bike or in TDA is a beatstick...Asmodai isn't.  And that's the whole point of taking a chaplain...rerolls on the charge, and the statline of a company master (albiet with different wargear options: no storm shield!)

 

Just note that the rerolls from Zealot (hatred) are regardless of charge.  The "cheap-lain" can accomplish this just as well, and a librarian with all sorts of upgrades can do the same every round and even have something leftover for that Force Weapon.

 

I think Ezekiel comes close to the line where you can take him over a librarian sometimes for kicks, but more often than not you're better off taking a kitted out librarian.

[FlamingDeth]

Ezekiel is definitely better than Asmodai. He's just a little more front-line than most librarians, and can take more of a beating with his master statline and artificer armor. Still doesn't have EW so you still have to pick your targets with care, but that goes for just about everyone.

[Ultra Magnus]

Asmodai is arguably "worth his points" insofar as he is an Interrogator Chaplain that for + 30 points gives you Fear and the ability to potentially ID any target that has a greater than AP4 save which is pretty much anybody you would end up in a challenge with. On paper the blades don't look great but remember he has 3 attacks (4 on the charge) and only has to get you to fail one save and it's game over.

 

The problem is that there are better competing alternatives at equivalent cost. For the same points, you can take a standard Interrogator Chaplain and give him the Mace of Redemption relic. Now your IC is swinging at AP3 (2 if your fighting CSM) and also get the benefit of the Blind and Concussive special rules. Most people would argue it is the stronger combination.

[[TA]Typher]

No.

[JeffJedi]

I'm a firm believer in Power Weapons so the AP- of the blades just doesn't impress me. Furthermore, he is only basic strength 4 so I don't see him destroying monstrous creatures with it.

 

I haven't used him in battle though, which is sad since I have both versions of his model.

[march10k]

I agree that the "sine qua non" attitude towards AP2 is ridiculous. In 99% of lists, the maximum number of units with 2+ armor saves is one. The jump from AP3 to AP2 weapons just isn't a dealbreaker.