Grey Mage Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 So, how do you guys attempt to make the most of our army-wide special rule that frankly most of our units have little ability to exploit at this point in time?What strategies do you build around it?And what are 'strategies of opportunity' that you find yourself using on occaision because of warlord traits, scenarios, or even apocalypse? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Currently only my single pack of Wolf Scouts makes use of this rule. I'm sure an army could be built around Acute Senses but it's just not how my Great Company plays. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3608673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Sadly with only one saga of the hunter available and wolf scouts there's not much boon there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3608714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Also being unable to charge from Reserves really puts a damper on having infantry bound units arriving on a board edge... leaves them rather exposed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3608724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Agreed. Only used with the single SotH Wolf Priest and associated Grey Hunter pack. As Vash just mentioned, this unit is geared as much for a devastating shooting phase more so than assault (8 Plasma shots on arrival). Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3608735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fytharin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Right now there really isn't any way I use this rule. If I wanted to try it? It would probably be what Valerian listed. I really tried to find a way to give MotH to a wolf lord on TW primarilly so I could get Canis in there as a kamakaze type unit. But that would require fine tuning on MotH availability to cavalry so I sit here and continue to dream unfortunately Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3609480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Alternatively, you could use Bran Redmaw and a wolf priest. I think doing so you can get 3 GH packs to outflank. 1 with WP saga of the hunter, 1 with Redmaw (who also has saga of the hunter) and 1 GH squad gains patient hunter for having Redmaw as your army warlord. Then you can take a a scout squad and have at least 4 units making use of the acute sense rule. I believe you can have Bran and a WP with hunter without it triggering the issue with multiple sagas. The same way you can have Njal and Logan together despite similar sagas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3609521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 That is true, I don't have brans rules so I didn't know he also had the saga Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3609663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 The best ive made use of it was a list where i was running a full grey hunter pack with lots of plasma and outflanking wolf priest (i tend to take this unit a lot these days), and 2 uites of wolf scouts armed with plasma pistols and melta guns. Getting to reroll the table edge is nice, but it would be better used with more outflanking...could add another unit of scouts (but then id have no lone wolf spot..aargghh), One thing that may work better is if you were to take bran redmaw, he can outflank can he not? (as he is a named character, i presume his saga doesnt count to the 1 limit?), as well as allowing another unit to infiltrate if i remember rightly?. If you happen to get 3-4 outflanking units onto the table edges you want on turn 2, along with a turn 1 drop pod assault or rhino rush, you could put some good early game pressure on i would think. However, not being able to charge from outflanking is a bit of a bummer, wolf scouts sadly arent as good as they were in 5th for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3609823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I have run the WP with a plasma GH pack many times to my liking, and have thought about running two of them. There are just too many other great option in the dex that make me not do so. That and the new ruling on assaulting from reserves, as above mentioned, has my scouts in dusty slumber. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3609846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fytharin Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Where do you find the Bran Redmaw rules at? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3609857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Where do you find the Bran Redmaw rules at? Imperial Armor 11 The Doom of Mymeara from Forge World. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3609879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 And its the only 'crunchy bits' for a SW player in the book. The rest is IG and Eldar.But the fluff and the pictures are beautiful, just know what youre getting into. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3610031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 And its the only 'crunchy bits' for a SW player in the book. The rest is IG and Eldar. But the fluff and the pictures are beautiful, just know what youre getting into. Yea I was a bit disappointed to be honest. Do we have any idea when Forge World will finally release that Bran Redmaw model that leaked ages ago? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3610103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 IF they release it, my guess is when/if they release our new codex. I figure they MIGHT try to release it along with the Horus Heresy Book dealing with the Burning of Prospero. Or am I the only one(I could be making this up-I'm not totally sane. LOL!!!) to notice that some Forge World books have been redone updated about the same time as their relevant 40K codex? The Tau Codex & the Tauros Campaign, the Space Marine Codex & Imperial Armour. Just saying. As for the Doom of Mymera, Gray Mage has the right of it. If you're buying for the Space Wolf Stuff alone, you're probably going to be disappointed. A couple of pages, most of that pictures. Otherwise, it's a beautiful book. Acute Senses--Wolf Priest with a WG pack in a LRC occasionally. Want to make sure I get as close to where I need to be as possible with that many points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3610151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ahhhh...hadnt thought about the WG/LRC option...probs save that for apocalypse though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3610743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Alternatively, you could use Bran Redmaw and a wolf priest. I think doing so you can get 3 GH packs to outflank. 1 with WP saga of the hunter, 1 with Redmaw (who also has saga of the hunter) and 1 GH squad gains patient hunter for having Redmaw as your army warlord. Then you can take a a scout squad and have at least 4 units making use of the acute sense rule. I believe you can have Bran and a WP with hunter without it triggering the issue with multiple sagas. The same way you can have Njal and Logan together despite similar sagas You cannot outflank Bran with a GH pack. He outflanks with Fenrisian Wolves. So just the two additional GH packs outflanking, one by having Bran in you army and one with the SotH WP. No problem with sagas due to Bran being a character with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3610978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 And its the only 'crunchy bits' for a SW player in the book. The rest is IG and Eldar. But the fluff and the pictures are beautiful, just know what youre getting into. Yea I was a bit disappointed to be honest. Do we have any idea when Forge World will finally release that Bran Redmaw model that leaked ages ago? No clue, my spies arent quite that deep under cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3611129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Alternatively, you could use Bran Redmaw and a wolf priest. I think doing so you can get 3 GH packs to outflank. 1 with WP saga of the hunter, 1 with Redmaw (who also has saga of the hunter) and 1 GH squad gains patient hunter for having Redmaw as your army warlord. Then you can take a a scout squad and have at least 4 units making use of the acute sense rule. I believe you can have Bran and a WP with hunter without it triggering the issue with multiple sagas. The same way you can have Njal and Logan together despite similar sagas You cannot outflank Bran with a GH pack. He outflanks with Fenrisian Wolves. So just the two additional GH packs outflanking, one by having Bran in you army and one with the SotH WP. No problem with sagas due to Bran being a character with it. Had this discussion with someone else recently, but if you read the rules for bran, im pretty sure it doesnt say that he can only outflank with fenrisian wolves, it says that he has saga of the hunter that also grants him the ability to outflank with fenrisian wolves. The reason for this is that this was written in 5th, when outflank wasn't passed to your squad (so wolf priests with SOTH couldnt outflank with anyone that didnt already have outflank - ie the only unit they could outflank with was wolf scouts) ..however this let bran outflank with either scouts OR fenrisian wolves. Now in 6th, he gets saga of the hunter, ..the fact it states that it also allows him to outflank with wolves is redundant as in 6th outflank confers to the squad, so he can technically outflank with anyone he wants. NOTE - i dont have IA11 to hand but im pretty sure thats how its written Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3612380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Warrior Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Silly question. If another character is attached to the unit the SoTH is with due he get outflank as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3612765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Warrior Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 A quick Google search and I've seen both the model for Bran (Holy Goodness is he awesome) and his rules. ( they are awesome as well) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3612776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Silly question. If another character is attached to the unit the SoTH is with due he get outflank as well? As far as i know, yes, im pretty sure the rules are written in a way which is 'if a unit contains a model with the outflank special rule...' however due to you not being able to charge from outflanking, i tend to keep my outflank squad to just having a wolf priest, maybe a wgpl, and then grey hunters....its already quite an expensive unit.... the one thing you could add for cheap would be a rune priest (i one added a biomancy rune priest to this squd for S&G), but again...eggs in baskets n that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287524-keen-senses/#findComment-3613217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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