Telhdrat Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 So, as we all know Angron has a very cool ability to fight multiple challenges at once. Unfortunately, he's so deadly fighter that for most guys accepting a challenge from him will mean certain death, so in most situations the possible opponents are likely to refuse (Boo! Cowards!) and I've been wondering this for a while. What happens when multiple challenges from Angron are refused? Do I get to nominate one enemy character not to figth for each refused challenge, or just one as in a normal situation? What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 can he declare multiple challenges? or accept multiple challenges? Im not near my book, but there is a clear distinction between the two... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telhdrat Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yeah, it says he can call and fight as many challenges as there are independent characters and units fighting him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Well, per Red Sands, he can call and fight as many challenges as there are independent characters and units fighting him, and he may do this in any given turn. Now, on page 64 of the BRB, it says that only one challenge can be issued per close combat, and the side whose turn it is has the opportuninty to issue a challenge first. What this means is: 1. If it is Angron's turn, he can issue as many challenges as he has attacks, or as many ICs/units there are in the combat. 2. If it is the opposing player's turn, they can issue a challenge and they have the opportunity to do so first. Even if Angron answers it, by being allowed to fight as many challenges as above and being able to 'call' them on any given turn, he can choose to issue more challenges up to his max allowed for that combat after the opposing player has had an opportunity to call theirs. 3. If his challenges are refused, then the consequences are quite clear. For any refused challenge, the player who issued it gets to nominate one character who cannot fight that turn and who cannot grant their leadership to their unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 interesting, lets assume below scenario: Angron and a rampager squad charge into a unit made up of a Legion Apothecary, Praetor, Centurion and a Legion Tactical squad. There are 2 Independant Characters and 2 characters (I think the apoth is just a character, not an independant character right?) That would mean that Angry Ron could declare up to 3 challenges (1 unit, 2 independant characters). if he were to declare 3, then either 3 models capable of accepting challenges need to step forward, or 3 models need to step away and not get to fight (or anything inbetween 1 and 3). The challengee still picks which models and in this case has the benefit of choice, assuming I'm right about the apothecary (could step the apoth, sergeant and centurion back, then have the praetor fight in the regular combat). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Not quite. If you refuse a challenge, the person who issued the challenge then chooses who does not fight (IE, who needs to hide at the back because they were too cowardly to stand in the front). If you accept a challenge, you choose who you accept it with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 really? hmm, that's interesting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yes...hmm... So if Angron charged a command squad with a praetor and issued challenges to all of them (they are all characters) and they all declined...would he then fight them and they don't fight back? I'm sure if this was the case, then they'd all fight...but still... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 also... does he fight them one at a time? or does it become an Angron vs a few characters as one combat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 also... does he fight them one at a time? or does it become an Angron vs a few characters as one combat? Good question...technically it goes at initiative step so I would think that Angron strikes first in all of them, but providing that they live, I think that the characters fight each challenge one at a time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 so he has to split his attacks between the various challangees/challangers? cool Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3617951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telhdrat Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yeah, they fight each challenge one at a time and Angron has to split his attacks. However, in the example above he could only issue two challenges, as there is only one unit and one independent character. And thanks kitwulfen, I was thinking/hoping it would go like that, but wasn't quite certain. Guess enemy deahtstars will have to think twice before refusing the Red Angel's challenges then! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3618068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 It's one at a time and the challenges are fought in the order that Angron's controlling player desires. And I wasn't entirely clear before, but he can issue as many challenges as there are ICs and units in the combat or however many attacks he has, whichever is fewer. So, in the example with the command squad and Praetor, he can only issue two challenges - however, anyone from the command squad may answer the challenge. But the question you've asked does have an answer. If he were to enter combat with, say, a Praetor and a Command Squad that had been reduced to a single model, then he can issue a challenge to each of them. As the Praetor and CS are joined together to form a single unit consisting of two models, the rule for Heroic Stands doesn't apply (IE, they are not forced to accept the challenge). So, they refuse. "Once a challenge has been refused, the model that issues it fights normally." Now Angron is in combat with the Praetor/CS unit and is not locked in any challenges. And since two challenges were refused, Angron gets to nominate two characters who cannot strike blows this turn. The rulebook says nothing about not being able to be struck after you refuse. So I imagine that after being so cowardly as to refuse his challenge, the Praetor and his standard bearer get slaughtered by Angron without even fighting back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287910-angron-and-refused-challenges/#findComment-3618391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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