Brother Heinrich Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hey gents just wanted to get your opinions on the Whirlwind Scorpius. Basically whether or not you've used it, faced off against it, or seen others use it, and if you see it as a useful addition to a Space Marine army. On paper it sounds pretty juicy: front armor 13, side armor 12, rear 10, the missile launcher is str8 ap3, small blast, heavy 1, 48" range. However if the vehicle remains stationary it gains 1+d3 shots making it seem like a pretty decent option for keeping enemy heads down/decimating MEQs. Anyways, it'd be great to get the opinions of those who have used it before and speak to it's actual effectiveness on the battlefield. Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm a huge fan of them. I've gotten great results out of the one I have in my Legion army. The only two downsides of using them over the normal Whirlwind are A.) Slightly increased points, and B.) Smaller template. The way I see it, you're not paying that much of a premium for the extra armor. The second point is mitigated by the idea that you get +D3 templates in a barrage configuration. I'm not sure how you'd run the math on it, since models can be arraigned totally different ways, but the area covered by the 5" template is 19.6 inches squared, compared to about 21 inches squared covered by 3 small templates (most common from 1+d3 I suspect). The huge upside there is that you can tag the same model multiple times with many smaller templates. The list of why the Scorpius is superior goes on with light anti-vehicle duty (tripley so for squadrons), better armor piercing value, *much* more resilient... those 40 or so extra points have paid for themselves every single time I've taken it. Hope that helps! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Nice that is a rather good couple of points. Basically I'm trying to figure out what I want to fit in the the 130pt slot I have for a 1,000 point list and it's between a Predator executioner with the plasma blaster and heavy bolters or the whirlwind scorpius. Both are fairly appetizing and seem deadly on paper but I don't know which I'd rather go for as they are both fairly recent additions to the space marine armory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hmm... the only place I could see the predator being more effective is if you have to deal with a lot of terminators or their equivalent. Does your list typically struggle against +2 armor saves? Otherwise, I'd go with the Scorpius. It's just as heavily armored, less points, *much* more area covered (1 small template compared to 2-4) and more effective against everything except terminators. Bonus is that the predator has to be in line of sight to do damage. The Scorpius does not. It can safely plug away at your enemies from behind terrain. That strength 8 comes in super handy when you want to instant death a Space Marine captain too ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Ooooh good point I wasn't thinking about the str 8 for insta kill, man that would ruin my friends day lol. Nothing more ignoble than getting blasted by rocket arty before ever even getting to show off your fancy armor and weapons lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yup, the Whirlwind Scorpius is the premier barrage sniping weapon in my book. The armour values often take people by surprise too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yeah it's actually got better armor than the predator lol. That thing sounds like everything whirlwinds should have always been. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think they're a solid unit. Add in the ignores cover for a blast weapon Legacy of Glory for bonus fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think they're a solid unit. Add in the ignores cover for a blast weapon Legacy of Glory for bonus fun. Wait what? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 In the newest Imperial Armour book, (Imperial Armour 2: Second Edition) they include "Legacies of Glory" for vehicles. There are about 20 or so, with various effects like giving every space marine within 12" fearless, or ignoring cover, or gaining Tank Hunters and +1 BS when firing at anything with the daemonforge rule. Each typically has two points costs associated with it, usually between applying it to a normal vehicle or a super heavy. Some of the smaller ones start at 10pts and go up to 40 or 50 for the really good stuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Oh snap, must've totally missed that section. Time to pull it back out and do some reading! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3619881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 The Legacies of Glory are fantastic. They start on page 244. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3620199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Just read through them and the ignores cover for blast weapons is easily one of the nastiest for either the scorpius or the Predator Executioner with the plasma blaster. Really cool how FW did that, I love fluffy rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3620496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I like the idea of a Contemptor dread who makes every marine in 12" fearless. Do the World Eaters *right* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3620923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 I like the idea of a Contemptor dread who makes every marine in 12" fearless. Do the World Eaters *right* Ooooh that'd be awesome too. Those legacies really add a cool element. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3621036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Just read through them and the ignores cover for blast weapons is easily one of the nastiest for either the scorpius or the Predator Executioner with the plasma blaster. Really cool how FW did that, I love fluffy rules. Or Fellblade Putting the "No Deepstrike Scatter" on a drop pod is deadly too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3621229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeeeesh, that's a surefire way to alienate friends and make enemies lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3621948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So is bringing a space marine bike commander with eternal warrior a 2+/3++ and a S7AP2 super sword. Sometimes, you just need to bring a bit of nastiness ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3622775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 So is bringing a space marine bike commander with eternal warrior a 2+/3++ and a S7AP2 super sword. Sometimes, you just need to bring a bit of nastiness True enough, the more I thought about it, the more I liked it. I actually wrote up a new list using that particular legacy, feel free to check it out: Clicky Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3622795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 The Scorpius is Great but I don't allow it's use in normal 40k games. It's on a par with the Heldrake when it comes to overpowered/broken units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3631507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 The Scorpius is Great but I don't allow it's use in normal 40k games. It's on a par with the Heldrake when it comes to overpowered/broken units. http://annayellowbanana.spotlife.se/files/2012/10/Oh-You-Make-Me-Cry-Laughing-Meme-Rage-Face--248x300.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3631665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 So I guess you don't allow Helldrakes either? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3631678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 What book has the rules for the Scorpius and the Relic Predators? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3631891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 The 40k version can be found here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3631893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Ah, thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287982-whirlwind-scorpius-effective/#findComment-3631964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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