recon0321 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So I was thinking wouldn't it be a cool idea to see the 3 shattered legions band together on table top? But how would it work rule wise...could I just not use the legion specific rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I dont think they would use Legion rules as they think that either the Legion is no more in their eyes and thus their tactics are no more...or that vengeance overcomes all sense...or third option they cling to them so hard that they are a force onto themselves and are no help to the other survivors... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3619878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Couldn't I use the generic rules in betrayal? I think your right they might abandon their doctrine...due to them not having legion support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3619879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I dont think they would want Legion support anyway...and more then likely they would look at any other legion not there that died with them as weaker... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3619884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sounds good so far Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3619887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 The way I would work that is as follows: Select a main legion for your primary detachment and use their rules accordingly. Pick a second legion and add them as allies for their rules. For your third option, merely integrate painted models of the third legion into existing squads of the first two. Obviously you wouldn't add them to legion specific units, and you would not be able to use their rules. They would be counted as the most shattered of the three legions you've chosen, and therefore without leadership and regress back to basic marine functionality. Of course, you fluff it out a bit by using the appropriate armour for that legion and having them join the squads you'd expect to see them in (DG with MkIII in tacticals or heavy support, IH in breacher siege squads, WE in assault squads, etc). Finally, you would probably avoid including very specialist units like the Deathshroud, Justearin, Palatine Blade(?) squads, since they would likely have stayed with their primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3620727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormborn Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I'm thinking about doing something similar with the survivors of Isstvan V. I was going to pick one Legion as my priamry and then just ally with the generic legion list with approriate paint schemes to represent the other 2 legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3620759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 You could go Iron Hands and Salamanders. Add Raven Guards as count as Iron Hands. Do it this way because Raven Guards got no rules yet, but also because Iron Hands and Raven Guards are both black and visually the same on the table top (makes it easy to know exactly which unit is include in which detachment) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3620807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Until BL or FW actually make mention of survivors of the Shattered Legions fighting as independent forces, the amalgamation may be best. It would be cool if FW added rules for fielding a Shattered Legion army in book 3 though. It would only take up a page, as it wouldn't need any rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3620822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Well I am reading vulkan lives and this shattered legion group is salamander centric similar to the group from angel exterminatus was IH centric so I think they could work with any of the shattered legions like said before I guess I can pick one legion ally with the second biggest and just paint a 3rd for stand in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3620915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 So I was thinking wouldn't it be a cool idea to see the 3 shattered legions band together on table top? But how would it work rule wise...could I just not use the legion specific rules? Yes. Just use the basic legion list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3620917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 A shattered legions rite of war would be cool, but I don't have any ideas for what it might include/disallow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3621438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I'd imagine it would just be model and paint the squads appropriately, and they get their own legions additional rules + hatred: traitor legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3621493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If your opponent was cool with it, just set up the legions on a D3 and roll for each squad for which legion they are from to represent the rag tag nature of the group. 1-2 Raven Gaurd 3-4 Iron Hands 5-6 Salamanders That way the nature of your troops in your list will be varied so you can't just cherry pick certain better units :) Hope this helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3621622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 It's similar to what I'm doing at the moment - my main/primary force is IHs however this is the Terminator Elite, my 'line' troops (Heavy Support, Tacticals and Support Squads) will be Salamanders (with a small CS of Firedrakes for Vulkan) and my reconnaissance force (Assault, Jetbike and Recon Squads) will be RG (with a small unit of whatever specialist they get for Corax) - this way I hopefully won't get too bored, will end up with 6-8k Points and a nicely painted 'Survivors of Istvaan V' army... Later I'll add in some 'normal' bikers for WS and unsure for other Legions - my final goal is to have 1k minimum of each Loyalist Legion and 1k of each Traitor Legion outside of the Istvaan survivors (although these will just be small groups based around the elite and the Primarch). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3622087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 That's a great idea, Russ Brother. As I didn't like the direction Gav Thorpe wrote most of the RG into, my ragtag battalion will be of the Shattered Survivors apart from the 3000. Mine wind up taking refuge with the AdMech survivors of Legio Atarus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3622171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 For ease of list building, you could just pick the best Legion rules (most likely the same as one of your HQs) and use that for the entire army, no matter what color their armor is. Or play the non-main legions as no legion and they get the basic Legion rules. Fluff wise, marines are tactically flexible. I could easily see most legions adjusting style based on the orders of the commander. I run Iron Warriors in my World Eaters and use the same Legion rules throughout. Doesn't affect much because most of the IW are vehicles or scouts. I also get past the HQ/troop tax. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3625902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 just follow the rules of which ever hq is your warlord :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288013-survivors-of-isstvan-in-game-terms/#findComment-3626706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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