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Ive decided to take the plunge and order a flyer from forge world. My Dilemma is which one should I get?

Vulture with punisher cannons..

fast, maneuverability, and lots of shots.

Or.

Avenger with lascannons and tac bombs.

similar role but can go after heaver armor and cool anti infantry bombing runs.

 

These two fliers are aesthetically My favorite fliers in the game. Both would have similar game role and stats. Im torn though. I've never played with or against either so I dont really know how well they preform. I really like both models so from a modeling perspective I'm sure ill be happy with either one. I'd like some input as to which would be a better game preformer. I tend to run mech/drop vets with artillery , a couple of Russes and on big games a stormlord or shadowsword, a Knight paladin, and Cypher.

I have been thinking of doing an well equipped Merc army .

If the rumored codex Stormtrooper is what we think it is. I just recently acquired a ton of old stormtroopers and kasrkins that with a few new scions will make up my troops and hqs. maybe some sentinels if allowed and vendettas. No armored vehicles except an allied free blade Knight titan.

Which of the two flier do you think would best compliment both armies best?

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I play with both. ^^;

 

The Avenger is incredibly fragile in return for its killing power, and despite the AP3 main gun, it's not quite a Helldrake because it doesn't ignore cover. Lascannons are nice, and you are going to struggle with anti-tank (although with melta-vets, not as much as I do!), but SAV10 and 2HP really hurt, especially if the enemy brings fliers.

 

However, against anything except Land Raiders, the Punisher's 20 S5 shots are incredibly good, because the Vulture has Vector Dancer. With a little care, you can pretty much always get in a shot against rear armour with the twin-linked BS4 guns. It also fits the Guards' main special rule ("I roll more dice than you") better.

 

Where the Punisher struggles and the Avenger becomes incredible is against Stronghold armies, especially ones that hole up in a Fortress of Redemption with Void Shields. The Bolt Cannon can reliably kill a Void Shield, allowing the Lascannons to have a go at the bunker beneath.

 

I do tend to run the Avenger with autocannons or missile launchers, however, rather than bombs. I'm just not fond of one-shot weapons, even if you do get six of them.

I play with both. ^^;

 

The Avenger is incredibly fragile in return for its killing power, and despite the AP3 main gun, it's not quite a Helldrake because it doesn't ignore cover. Lascannons are nice, and you are going to struggle with anti-tank (although with melta-vets, not as much as I do!), but SAV10 and 2HP really hurt, especially if the enemy brings fliers.

 

However, against anything except Land Raiders, the Punisher's 20 S5 shots are incredibly good, because the Vulture has Vector Dancer. With a little care, you can pretty much always get in a shot against rear armour with the twin-linked BS4 guns. It also fits the Guards' main special rule ("I roll more dice than you") better.

 

Where the Punisher struggles and the Avenger becomes incredible is against Stronghold armies, especially ones that hole up in a Fortress of Redemption with Void Shields. The Bolt Cannon can reliably kill a Void Shield, allowing the Lascannons to have a go at the bunker beneath.

 

I do tend to run the Avenger with autocannons or missile launchers, however, rather than bombs. I'm just not fond of one-shot weapons, even if you do get six of them.

 

Avenger has 3 HP according to my copy of Imperial Armour 12 in the DKoK Assault Brigade list ...

Since you haven't tried either one (or seen them used), I'd use a different flyer (or borrow one) and proxy each one in a few games (at least) before deciding. That will give you a better idea of which one is better for you than any of our opinions would. Plus, it gives you an excuse to arrange more games of 40k, and that's never a bad thing. thumbsup.gif

 

 

Avenger has 3 HP according to my copy of Imperial Armour 12 in the DKoK Assault Brigade list ...

 

It has 2 both in the Imperial Armour Aeronautica (Which I believe is the most up to date ruleset for it... I think XD) and the DKoK Siege list downloadable from Forge World. So perhaps the one in IA 12 is a type? Or is that book newer then these other two sources?

 

That aside I'd say Furyou has it pretty much down. For pure rules the Vulture is far superior, both in loadout, survivability and movement. Ohh and somehow it is also cheaper XD

With that said the Avenger is a darn cool model, one of my favourite Navy planes, and I am currently hoping to save money for one to support my Warhawks. (Already have a vulture which is just so stupidly fun to play with XD)

Vulture - You know you want it (forgive my unpainted base).

 

Edit - Vulture is a true Gunship. Avenger is like a Star Wars Pod Racer.

 

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Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I appreciate them. I have decided to go with .DUN dun Daaah. The Vulture. The deciding factors. Vector dance, punishers, 3hp and the plane with the punisher cannons is cheaper than the Avenger with nothing.

I don't rate the Vulture with punisher cannons... But I have to take one in my Elysian army because it look so dang cool... Also... who doesn't love buckets of dice?

 

When I say I don't rate punisher cannons... I don't think they are as good as many people seem to say. They aint bad... And... I will say that from time to time magical things happen. I have taken out tanks, 10 man tactical squads, and Mephiston Lord of Death in one turn of shooting with punisher cannons (1 of the above in a single turn, not all of the above in a single turn), so they can be deadly. I just don't consider them to be that reliable... HPs being added to the game has made them a lot better against vehicles. I say get one because they look cool.

 

When I say I don't rate punisher cannons... I don't think they are as

good as many people seem to say. They aint bad... And... I will say that

from time to time magical things happen. I have taken out tanks, 10 man

tactical squads, and Mephiston Lord of Death in one turn of shooting

with punisher cannons (1 of the above in a single turn, not all of the

above in a single turn), so they can be deadly. I just don't consider

them to be that reliable... HPs being added to the game has made them a

lot better against vehicles. I say get one because they look cool.

 

I think Hellios brings up an important point, which is: "What are you shooting at?"

 

The Punisher is AP - , so anything with a decent armor save or cover save is not going to be as devastated as say, Orks, IG, non-LRs and softer targets. I have two in my Elysian army and never, ever leave home without them. That being said, because of the Elysian list, I can take Vendettas to help with my AT...well, that and Apoc, which is what I mostly play and therefore, can take whatever I want.

 

Still, a ten man tactical squad will have surprising resilience against the Punisher.

 

Then again, like a lot of others, I feel that IG is all about making them beat the odds. :)

So, Miko, I've been contemplating an avenger for my sisters. It seems that in spite of the fragility, it should be good against other fliers, especially if you give it missiles...?  I get that it's only BS3 against other fliers, but still...and against tanks?  Yum!

So, Miko, I've been contemplating an avenger for my sisters. It seems that in spite of the fragility, it should be good against other fliers, especially if you give it missiles...?  I get that it's only BS3 against other fliers, but still...and against tanks?  Yum!

 

As long as you get the drop on the enemy, it's an excellent fighter. BS3 does hurt, but you have enough guns to beat the odds. I prefer autocannosn over missile launchers because of the extra shots, but the do require a little luck to get at the enemy's weaker armour facings. ACs aren't bad against AV12, but they aren't perfect. Even the bolt cannon can do some good, though. :)

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