Emperor's Furor Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Which traitor Primarch do you think regretted following Horus the most after the Heresy failed? I'd personally say...(spoilers for Scars) Mortarion, by the time he's facing the Khan he already seems to be having second thoughts and Khan even says he thinks Mortarion has come for Khan because he's all alone now and he wants someone by his side because the other guys are idiots (not strictly the right wording ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Yeah, agreed. Mortarion most probably regrets it the most To be honest, he probably regretted it the most when good old Nurgle came a calling... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 My bet would be Mortarion or Magnus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mortarion or Fulgrim. After all Fulgrim was possesed by a demon of Slaanesh and after killing Ferrus he just wished to disappear, to die, he truly felt regret. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'd have to agree, but after reading the spoilers from "Spirit of Vengeance", I feel either the author didn't read the previous arc he was in or he's starting to accept his role in this... which to me is too bad. Mortarion's seeming hesitance and unwillingness added a whole new depth to the character and would have made his fall to Nurgle much more tragic. I guess we'll see how the story progresses, but thus far I think it's between Mortarion and Alpharius / Omegon (one of them). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm going say Horus ("Father, flay my soul into nothingness! I beg you!") or Konrad Curze ("Soon, the assassin will come for my head. And she, too, does the work of justice.") Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castrmen Orth Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Gonna go with magnus. Seemed to be the only one who didn't willingly throw his lot in with the traitors. Plus it lead to the rubric etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think its easier to say angron and lorgar appeared very much NOT to regret it, as I don't think its so easy to quantify the regret in the others. I dont count Alpaharius omegan sigma (;)) because of all the for the emperor business. on the flip I'm thinking there may be something with lion el jonson a bit later on, ad he seems very self serving (dealings with pert and so on) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mortarion. When I first read the Index Astartes posted in the old WD magazines as my interest started in Death Guard, I felt then that there was more to him under the skin that the turning to traitor suggested. I can't tell you now what it was, I would have to sit and read it again to quote. Someone a while back mentioned his daddy issues, plus his closeness to Horus and what Typhon did, pushed him to make the choice he did, along with his desire to save the crew all did not help to keep him loyal, true. But if you removed much of it, I think he would have stayed loyal just as easily. I have yet to read past the fifth HH novel, so I still go by what I read a fair few years back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Hawk Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Magnus. He was the only one who didn't turn voluntarily, and seems pretty upset about it centuries after. Close second would have to be Kurze- he became everything he fought against, and ultimately let himself be killed by an assassin. And got to agree with helterskelter, Angron and Lorgar both seem pretty content with their choice... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Actually, the latest by Graham McNeil has Magnus and Ahriman going on a vision quest in the Eye of Terror, and after viewing the fighting at Calth, Thramas, and Phall they make the reasoned decision to join Team Red. So old One-Eye can take all his "Wahhh! The meanie pants Wolves made me do it! Wahhhh! A-bloo-bloo!" and cram it up his Crystal Cavern. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Magnus & Morti Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Yeah Magnus still had the choice I to stay loyal imo, despite what the wolves did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Magnus had nothing to regret. He made the decision after scrying into the future and after he had already been attacked by the Space Wolves. His bridges were burned, his decision was made for him, he had nothing to regret in that sense. After the battle for Prospero he was a warp-being anyway, he had no corporeal form, his body was killed by russ... Mortarion on the other hand...he is most likely the one that regrets the decision the most... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Okay, I think I may have gone a bit overboard ranting about Magnus...chalk it up to watching all the good work Graham did in A Thousand Sons , where you could feel the XV's desperation as their back was put against the wall, be blown out of the water by an epilogue that goes: "You wanna join Horus?" "I dunno. You wanna join Horus?" "Eh, why not?" "Cool. Let's go join Horus, I guess." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 I really hope we get to read the thoughts and ideas of every primarch after horus falls, I hope it doesn't end abruptly with the Emperor killing him, and then being put in the throne and then nothing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Ferrus Manus reacts to Horus's death: "................................" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 By Ouija Board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Every surviving Primarch of course ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mortation, Fulgrim, Kurze, (Alpharius I guess but he did it to save the galaxy and "For the Emperor!") Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Lorgar, he didn't want this for mankind he wished for symbiosis and truth. That's why for 10000years he has stayed apart from the galaxy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Ferrus Manus reacts to Horus's death: "................................" For a second there, I thought you typed: *________________________________* Either is rather apt, I suppose Edit: Morty has a lot of reason to regret, considering his everything he hated, that led to his betrayal, was most evident, to an extreme degree, on the side he joined. It's like spending your nights getting pass-out drunk at a bar with a bunch of alcoholics because you just hate alcoholism with a passion. But it also means I have no sympathy whatsoever, because damn. That's just special. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Hands down.. it's Horus In the old fluff, as the Emperor was mortally wounded he saw that Horus was beyond saving. In that moment he summoned all his psychic might and focused it in an unstoppable beam. Before it hit Horus, the Chaos powers retreated from him, removing the blinders and influence they had had over him. In that second he realized what he had done, and excepted his utter destruction. It's one thing to lose your planet.. or your legion. It's a completely other thing to realize that you are responsible for the death of your brothers and the genocide of thousands of worlds. Mortatian and Magnus are tragic, but Horus trumps them easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Definitely Mortarion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Morty in Scars is at the top of the list for me as well. Horus at the end probably regrets it the most as well, the second before he's obliterated. I don't think Fulgrim, Lorgar or Angron regret it in the slightest. Magnus waited to pick a side until he knew (he thought) who would win. I think he may be regretting that decision a little. Alpharius is Alpharius, or maybe Sigmar? Who knows if he regrets it or not. Who knows what he's even doing? I think Perturabo might regret it a little, especially when he gets back from his laws-of-physics-defying blackhole adventure and realises Horus really doesn't care that Fulgrim tried to eat his soul. Basically traded one tyrant for another, eviler one. I may be remembering wrong but doesn't he start to have some doubts during Angel Exterminatus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288434-which-traitor-primarch-do-you-think-regretted-it-the-most/#findComment-3629654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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