Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Would the wolf guard of the Vlka Fenryka be awarded the terminator honors, like the boring old regular space marines would?? And if so, would it then make sense that the Thunderwolf Cavalry, being wolf guard, could then be award the honor as well?? Is there anything written in this regard?? End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Let me clarify my question. Would Wolf Guard wearing power armor wear terminator honor markings?? ie shoulder pads, icons, etc End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3630916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cate Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Never say never; but I have never seen any reference to it. I can't even remember if there is a shoulder pad with the Vlka Fenryka terminator honor, the only loose Wolf terminator honor is the one that looks like a pendant, but that is from the Wolf guard terminator box. Answering your question, it is not impossible that a wolf once exchanged gifts, ie shoulder pad with another veteran space marine from another chapter, as a token of respect and brotherhood, that iconography could still be there thousands of years later. But that would probably be very uncommon. /C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3630940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Let me clarify my question. Would Wolf Guard wearing power armor wear terminator honor markings?? ie shoulder pads, icons, etc End of Line Why not? One could also ask why we or any other chapter out there don't see deathwatch shoulder pads on their box sets... Anyway you can find the terminator honors shoulder pad in the plastic sternguard box set. But I think it was more of a design team/manufacturer decision as to why we haven't gotten it via tabletop for power armored wolfguard. However I'm pretty sure the older metal wolf guard models have it on them. Also you have to take into consideration about the culture and ideology of a Fenris born. Each member of the rout prides himself with being independent, but fiercely loyal to his lord and pack. If everyone in your wolf guard pack wore the same shoulder pad.... It kinda takes away the independant nature of each warrior. I dunno just my logic on the subject. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3630999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 I have used 2 different TDA Honors pads from the Sternguard kit you mentioned, Mav. I agree with your logic somewhat as well, but I also like my packs(units) to have a very thematic look to them, so I do repeat some pads, heads, etc... Thanks for the clarification, or at least, the confirmation that others think it is a possibility!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I've checked old metal WG. None of them have got a terminator honour marking. Only the "Space Wolves captain" have a marking on his forearm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Volker Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I would think just joining the wolf guard counts as gaining it and then having the new pack markings is the honour and status symbol rather than the crux terminatus specifically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 There's nothing to suggest the Space Wolves do not use Terminator Honors or any of the other standard honorifics used by the rest of the Space Marines. After all in the 3rd Edition Codex we could take the upgrade from the wargear section of the Space Marine Codex and our Terminators wear the Crux just like any others. Similarly Deathwatch honors, purity seals, marksman's honors and all the other little awards from other marine boxes would IMO be just fine to display alongside wolf pelts, teeth and tails. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 The Terminator Honor would suggest that the Marine had been elevated to the Wolf Guard and was authorized to use Terminator Armor. So the question would be. How often would a member of the Wolf Guard be willing to ride with his pack instead of joining the "Honored Few" of the Wolf Guard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 When he has bonded mentally and spiritually with his mount, I would guess. My thoughts went something like this: Wolf Guard are allowed to don TDA. Not all Wolf Guard do so. There would be a few who have but choose another form or role within the chapter. Those who have once wore the sacred suits who have moved on to join an even more elite pack would have markings to signify this. I would think that accepting the challenge to stalk a apex predator and have it submit to ones will would be a chance of a life time for any son of Fenris. One whom once wore TDA would pass it to another heroic brother for a chance to ride with the wolves. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 they use the crux part of terminator honours but not the human skull. its always a wolf skull or wolf head. you can see it on the tda shoulder pads plus a bunch of little pendants that comes with the wolf guard kit. so I would say no, just as they don't use tactical markings or the little libby horned skull symbol. they have there own versions of everything. a wolf guard isn't a veteran by default, long fangs are. a wolf guard is just an awesome hero Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 although i dont use 'terminator' markings as such, my power armour wolf guards have the same basic colour scheme on their shoulder pads as my terminator wolf guard, and my thunderwolf cavalry..to show that they have attained 'wolf guard rank'. Of course you could always use some sort of marking to denote this too.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3631902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 As for bits there are the Space Wolf Terminator bits set from Forgeworld, though I wasn't 100% happy with the one I got several years ago, they were likely removed too early/quickly from the mold as they were slightly warped and there were bubbles and other imperfections on one of the faces as well as a couple of the sensors were bent downward: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-and-Accessories/SPACE_WOLVES_TERMINATOR_CONVERSION_SET.html http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/swtsp.jpg http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/019/0/2/space_wolves_wolf_guard_vi_by_arastoru-d4mw8s4.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 There's nothing to suggest the Space Wolves do not use Terminator Honors or any of the other standard honorifics used by the rest of the Space Marines. After all in the 3rd Edition Codex we could take the upgrade from the wargear section of the Space Marine Codex and our Terminators wear the Crux just like any others. That's not quite right, Vash. We were expressly not permitted to use the Armoury section from the Codex Space Marines in 3rd edition; we had our own Armoury instead (page 14 of the 3e Codex). On that very same page, we get this special note on Terminator Honours, in fact: "Space Wolves do not have access to Terminator honors, as the attack bonus normally associated with such an upgrade has already been included in their characteristics where appropriate (in effect all Space Wolves characters and Wolf Guard already have the Space Wolves equivalent of Terminator honors (emphasis mine)). Space Wolves characters given Terminator armor do not receive the +1 attack bonus for the same reason and, to reflect this, the cost of Terminator armor has been reduced." One might surmise from this that all officers (Wolf Guard and above), have earned a right to wear TDA within the Space Wolves. The fact that some do not is probably a matter of either personal preference (e.g. Ragnar Blackmane), or suit availability. Certainly, the subset of Wolf Guard who become Thunderwolf Cavalry riders would fall into the former category (preference). V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 That's not quite right, Vash. We were expressly not permitted to use the Armoury section from the Codex Space Marines in 3rd edition; we had our own Armoury instead (page 14 of the 3e Codex). On that very same page, we get this special note on Terminator Honours, in fact: "Space Wolves do not have access to Terminator honors, as the attack bonus normally associated with such an upgrade has already been included in their characteristics where appropriate (in effect all Space Wolves characters and Wolf Guard already have the Space Wolves equivalent of Terminator honors (emphasis mine)). Space Wolves characters given Terminator armor do not receive the +1 attack bonus for the same reason and, to reflect this, the cost of Terminator armor has been reduced." One might surmise from this that all officers (Wolf Guard and above), have earned a right to wear TDA within the Space Wolves. The fact that some do not is probably a matter of either personal preference (e.g. Ragnar Blackmane), or suit availability. Certainly, the subset of Wolf Guard who become Thunderwolf Cavalry riders would fall into the former category (preference). V Ack my memory failed me I see, not surprising, but my point stands. I don't see anything to suggest that the chapter doesn't use Terminator Honors, even if ours tend to have wolf heads instead of skulls, a Crux Terminatus is still a Crux Terminatus. If we didn't then why is it still shown on all our suits of Terminator Armor? As for Thunderwolves I'm tempted to make a Thunderwolf drawn chariot whose rider is wearing TDA... just for giggles... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Old school story, just for fun, and because it is somewhat relevant to the discussion: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Good stuff Valerian!! I was posing this question for my personal reason of modeling. I am not looking to add additional attacks etc... I was coming straight from a fluff standpoint. I am pleased how this has turned into a good discussion, brothers!! Vash's last post pretty much sums up how I feel the wolves would go about such a subject. It may not always be a crux and skull, but it could be. Along with pelts, runes, etching and totems. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Old school story, just for fun, and because it is somewhat relevant to the discussion: 5++ motha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Don't forget that you could award a particularly heroic Wolf Guard the Crux Argentum, rather than the Crux Terminatus, if you prefer. That'd be a good opportunity to develop a nice fluff backstory for one of your Thunderwolf Cavalry riders. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 That's kind of the idea I was going to run with. The powerfist TWC rider who punched the life from the monstrosity know as Fateweaver for instance. He has been adorned with a spiffy shoulder pad. While the wolves forge their own paths and have their own traditions, they are still marines. And the Emperor is still the driving force behind their reasons, so having some of his iconography only makes sense. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288505-space-wolves-and-terminator-honors/#findComment-3632875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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