thepowerofwar Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So recently in a game I had someone argue that for holding/contesting an objective you measure from the model and I have always measured from the base. With the addition of a lot of new models that have these new huge oval bases I see this is going to be coming up more often. Does anyone know which way to measure from or know where it states it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Page 4, MEASURING DISTANCES. Page 71, VEHICLES & MEASURING DISTANCES. Page 98, COPING WITH DIFFERENT HEIGHTS, UNIT COHERENCY. Page 123, CONTROLLING OBJECTIVES. In a nutshell: all non-vehicles measure from the base, vehicles measure from the hull. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3634969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 We had a really good discussion about this sort of thing a while back: Which began in here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277586-first-turn-assault/ And continued here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277651-can-you-pivot-an-oval-base/ (for reference, please don't necro, thanks.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3635004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepowerofwar Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 Thanks I'll looks those up when I get home. II hope they cover it and I'll let you guys know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3635086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Isn't there a tidbit about vehicles with a base that aside from firing (which is measured from the weapon) you use the base? The subject came up yesterday regarding an Imperial Knight, and I seem to recall that was what we discovered (haven't got the book here, so I can't check, sadly). It's under the Walkers section. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3636206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Non-based: use hull, legs, and weapons. Based: use base, like infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3636323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Normal vehicles use the normal rules. Ezra, you may be thinking about Flyers. Those rules (on page 80) say distances are measured to and from the hull (not the base) except for the weapons and fire points which are measured as normal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3636409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Normal vehicles use the normal rules. Ezra, you may be thinking about Flyers. Those rules (on page 80) say distances are measured to and from the hull (not the base) except for the weapons and fire points which are measured as normal. No, I'm willing to bet money that there's one for walkers too. See Seahawk's post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3636426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Yes, but Flyers are based yet do NOT use the base for measurement with the exception for the heldrake's bail flamer. Walker rules say use the base. The general vehicle rules say use the hull. So to recap from general to specific: Vehicles in general measure to and from the HULL; ignore any base it may have. pg 71 Walkers measure to and from the BASE. pg 84 Flyers will have a base but measure to and from the HULL. pg 80 All shots are measured from the wepon tip or the firepoint. pg 71, 80, 84 Heldrake's bail flamer measures from the BASE. C:CSM FAQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3636457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Then we agree then, because I wasn't thinking about fliers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3636525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Uh, what difference does it make when moving? The distance is exactly the same whether you measure from the base or the hull. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3638527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Uh, what difference does it make when moving? The distance is exactly the same whether you measure from the base or the hull. It only really matters when you add other things. Can it fit through a gap, is it within 1" of an enemy, is in difficult terrain, is it within 3" of an objective. That sort of stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288688-measure-to-where/#findComment-3638629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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