Kol Saresk Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 *snip Lucius continued to distinguish himself in the service of his Primarch as the Legion descended into Chaos worship. He fought with incredible speed and skill in the gladiatorial contests Fulgrim held when the Legion was unable to visit hell upon an unsuspecting world. He was almost invincible, a force of nature that could not be bested. Lucius remained undefeated until, when fighting the infamous Lord Commander Cyrius, he finally met his match. - Codex: Chaos Space Marines 3.5, 4th and 6th editions. You can't remain something you never were. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Can't wait for the time a blind Astarte end up being unkillable because the blades of his enemies aren't real if he can't see them. Would anyone have an issue if the sonic weapon had been replaced by a Warsinger? A psyker who utilizes her Warp-borne powers through the sound of her voice? Like many psyker capabilities, the effects appear physical but are not caused by a physical action. It's literal magic. A person who can not hear, and who therefore may not have his mind affected by the magical sound, might seem immune to the seemingly physical effects. I ask because, to me, the two are the same. Weapons that use magic-enfused sound to dramatically injure the enemy. Though the technicalities of how sonic waves do not require to be heard to physically affect someone are true, it does make the assumption that these weapons are defined by science. When in truth, they are as Warp-borne as a psyker's own powers. Even bolters that have been corrupted stop being ruled by science. We wouldn't, for instance, argue against telekinesis by bringing up what we know about leverage and mass, would we? In that outlook, wouldn't the comparison be more apt if it was a blind man not being affected by a flashbang? I know a lot of people don't always like 'it's magic' as an explanation for stuff, but it is the Warp. Sonic Weapons are literally wands of Slaanesh magic. I am not okay with the idea that sonic waves need to be heard in order for them to physically affect me. But I am okay with the idea that I have to hear the magic sound in order for it to affect me in a seemingly physical way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Nope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Nope. Replying 'nope' to any one of the question marks in my post would be an agreement. But I am assuming disagreement? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 What most people are forgetting is that Marius didn't use a sonic weapon(it got destroyed in the heat of battle); he yelled at them with that supersonic organ Fabius implanted him and Eidolon with Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 *snip Lucius continued to distinguish himself in the service of his Primarch as the Legion descended into Chaos worship. He fought with incredible speed and skill in the gladiatorial contests Fulgrim held when the Legion was unable to visit hell upon an unsuspecting world. He was almost invincible, a force of nature that could not be bested. Lucius remained undefeated until, when fighting the infamous Lord Commander Cyrius, he finally met his match. - Codex: Chaos Space Marines 3.5, 4th and 6th editions. You can't remain something you never were. *snip Lucius continued to distinguish himself in the service of his Primarch as the Legion descended into Chaos worship. He fought with incredible speed and skill in the gladiatorial contests Fulgrim held when the Legion was unable to visit hell upon an unsuspecting world. He was almost invincible, a force of nature that could not be bested. Lucius remained undefeated until, when fighting the infamous Lord Commander Cyrius, he finally met his match. - Codex: Chaos Space Marines 3.5, 4th and 6th editions. You can't remain something you never were. Isn't that indicating post Heresy though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Would anyone have an issue if the sonic weapon had been replaced by aWarsinger? A psyker who utilizes her Warp-borne powers through the sound of her voice? Like many psyker capabilities, the effects appear physical but are not caused by a physical action. It's literal magic. A person who can not hear, and who therefore may not have his mind affected by the magical sound, might seem immune to the seemingly physical effects. To me, it reads like you believe weapons kill because they have a muzzle flash and make "bang" noises. Yet, sonic weapons, just like regular weapons, have physical impacts, as pictured countless times. What most people are forgetting is that Marius didn't use a sonicweapon(it got destroyed in the heat of battle); he yelled at them with that supersonic organ Fabius implanted him and Eidolon with A.K.A a sonic weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Can't wait for the time a blind Astarte end up being unkillable because the blades of his enemies aren't real if he can't see them. Would anyone have an issue if the sonic weapon had been replaced by a Warsinger? A psyker who utilizes her Warp-borne powers through the sound of her voice? Like many psyker capabilities, the effects appear physical but are not caused by a physical action. It's literal magic. A person who can not hear, and who therefore may not have his mind affected by the magical sound, might seem immune to the seemingly physical effects. I ask because, to me, the two are the same. Weapons that use magic-enfused sound to dramatically injure the enemy. Though the technicalities of how sonic waves do not require to be heard to physically affect someone are true, it does make the assumption that these weapons are defined by science. When in truth, they are as Warp-borne as a psyker's own powers. Even bolters that have been corrupted stop being ruled by science. We wouldn't, for instance, argue against telekinesis by bringing up what we know about leverage and mass, would we? In that outlook, wouldn't the comparison be more apt if it was a blind man not being affected by a flashbang? I know a lot of people don't always like 'it's magic' as an explanation for stuff, but it is the Warp. Sonic Weapons are literally wands of Slaanesh magic. I am not okay with the idea that sonic waves need to be heard in order for them to physically affect me. But I am okay with the idea that I have to hear the magic sound in order for it to affect me in a seemingly physical way. It has nothing to do with being able to hear sonic weapons. As explained earlier, sonic weapons work by sending high intensity sound waves at the enemy. This translate directley to them sending out massive amounts of kinetic energy. The effect is the same as with an explosion. It's the pressure and kinetic energy that kills. Not the loud bang. Had it been a warsinger the effect had either been the same. They use the warp to send massive amounts of kinetic energy at the enemy. Or it had been as you say psychic and therefore not physical. As it is not physical no physical disabilities would save you. It would go straight for your own psychic imprint on the warp and hurt you through that. But I do not believe sonic weapons are psychic. As far as I recall they were crappy instruments picked up by III legion marines, that then set the volume to 11. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3639995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The fact that they're specified as sonic weapons and not just random warp energy weapons implies sound waves have some part to play in it. I think we can all agree the scene was just a bad one and leave it at that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3640220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 In that outlook, wouldn't the comparison be more apt if it was a blind man not being affected by a flashbang?A blind man would still be disoriented by a flashbang, as in addition to the bright light they also make a heckuva racket. Hence, flash-BANG. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288696-sevatar-thank-you-adb/page/6/#findComment-3640282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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