Kasrkin

[*Furyou Miko]

Anyone else remember when Kasrkin were elite Veterans from Cadia, before they got kidnapped to be Stormtroopers for the entire Guard?

 

Maybe the models aren't gone forever and will be re-listed as Kasrkin for use as Veterans again...

[Kierdale]

What with their cable-fed weapons I'm guessing they -and the Scion models- will be back in our Elites menu on the GW website in a week or two.

I'm no big fan of the Kasrkin look but it would be a shame if GW did away with them (and the other stormie models). Particulalry such an iconic Cadian unit. Why reduce the variety? :)

[WarriorFish]

A Stormie model is a Guardsman with carapace and a fancy gun, so the Kasrkin were always Stormies in that regard. Did I miss them removing the old gas mask models from sale? It's hard to know what GW's website is doing sometimes - mostly because I don't think they know either...

[AnvilofFenris]

I've got the metal Kasrkin models as a Stormtrooper squad, personally I think they're great models. I think the new Scions probably owe a fair bit to them design-wise, and sadly won't be making a comeback. Unless they have a separate entry in any forthcoming codex, perhaps as an unlockable unit if they introduce something akin to chapter tactics, ala Black Templars CT unlocking Crusader squads?

[Hfran Morkai]

Damnit. I was hoping they'd hold out until payday.

 

Problem is, the Kasrkin looked a lot more badass than the metal Stormtroopers (which I still think look amazing) so lots of people ended up using them as generic Stormtropers. I hope the unit exists in the Guard Codex, or a Cadia supplement as I love the fluff but we'll have to wait and see.

[Captain General]

I have a company (140) of them I use for my Grenadier Grenadier Engineers, part of my 101st Ar,ored Spearhead Assault Group.  They are set-up/painted for city fighting. Great looking figures, just wish that they had made some more "types".

 

Captain General     

[march10k]

A Stormie model is a Guardsman with carapace and a fancy gun, so the Kasrkin were always Stormies in that regard. Did I miss them removing the old gas mask models from sale? It's hard to know what GW's website is doing sometimes - mostly because I don't think they know either...

 

A week ago, both kasrkin and stormtroopers were still available on GW's website.  I would have bought 20+weapons of each, but I'm not made of money...I did manage to order 28 (including 4 each of plasma and melta, plus the 2 each of flamer and GL that come in the squads) kasrkin at the last minute.  I called my FLGS in a panic when I saw that the models were taken down, but they are safely in the shop owner's hands waiting for me to pick them up.

[Idlem]

Think the Kasrkin gone for good? I've always wanted a second squad to go with my first.

[Bro Castiel]

Trying to apply logic to GW is pointless at times. I do however find it difficult to believe that they would remove all storm trooper options permanently.

 

I personally am hoping that they get added back in time and that the removal was a test or error of some sort.

 

Cas

[IamJacksUserName]

They most likely removed them to "encourage" people to purchase the new scions.

I think they will return just like how the steel legion disappeared for a short while. They will probably return shortly after the new codex. Although it might show up under the collectors range at double the cost. This is GW we are talking about here after all.

[-Volsung-]

I guess hopes for plastic Kasrkin hve been taken out into the back and shot

[WarriorFish]

Maybe they'll turn up as carapace veterans or something but it's not looking good, no.

[librisrouge]

Kasirkin have always been a localized variant of stormtroopers, similar to lifeguard for Pretorians. I kinda don't like the Scion models since they differ so much from the old metal hoodie stormtroopers so much that I don't see what the role of the old models really is in the fluff now. Ah well, still bought the codex.

[-Volsung-]

Honestly, I wonder why Games Workshop aim to remove Kasrkin.

 

Judging from the codex and even Fantasy Flight's Only War supplements, it seems there is a retconning that aim to either completely diminish or completely remove the Kasrkin. Kasrkin as a unit have not been in the rulebook, with the previous codex only laiming that the Cadians don't use stormtroopers because they have Kasrkins as their own unique equivalent. Now, Kasrkin are not even mentioned, and there is no painted models of them in the codex.

 

As for Fantasy Flight, their entry for Kasrkin states that the Kasrkin are basically the veterans, considered equivalent of a "grenadier" units. Also, not sure if it is a modification, but Fantasy Flight states that Kasrkin are not raised as youths to be special elite troops but are picked out at youth during Whiteshield days, but are later offered training as a Kasrkin after they have proven themselves in the Interior Guard.

 

Why the Kasrkin hate? In any case, however, I predict that the metal kasrkin models might be worth a lot of cash if they are completely OOP, as I would imagine that these Kasrkins would be to Imperial Guards what the old metal and unadulterated daemonettes are to Chaso players.

 

Also, a bit OT, but I noticed out of the 4 metal ogryn models available, only 3 are left on the state with the one that is posed like Nork DeDog's old school model gone. I predict this is a sign that Nork DeDog will have his own updated model soon?

[Nicodemus Doloroso]

Well if you guys are right and Kasrkin have gone OOP, I am sure glad I bought that second squad in case I ever want to increase my complement of =][= storm troopers (since I already have one squad using Kasrkin models)!

 

Given the Fantasy Flight bit about them as grenadiers, I wonder if there's a possibility of upgrading veterans to carry hotshot lasguns? Not really sure what the point of that would be since there'd barely be any difference with actual storm troopers but that would be nice.

 

The only reason I could see them making Kasrikin OOP is if the models never sold well. I'd be a bit surprised if that were the case though.

[Maelarion]

I kind of saw this might happen, if even temporarily.  Bagged a bunch of metal stormtroopers off ebay.  Wish I had the cash for some kasrkin too :P.

[-Volsung-]

Regardless of what fluff change they do to Imperial Guards, I can't imagine that Kasrkin will disappear from player's minds. They exist implicitly, and GW can't change that unless they declare outright that Kasrkins don't exist. 

 

Also consider that all 40k games where Ig is a playable faction have Kasrkins. They can't erase that

[march10k]

 

A Stormie model is a Guardsman with carapace and a fancy gun, so the Kasrkin were always Stormies in that regard. Did I miss them removing the old gas mask models from sale? It's hard to know what GW's website is doing sometimes - mostly because I don't think they know either...

 

A week ago, both kasrkin and stormtroopers were still available on GW's website.  I would have bought 20+weapons of each, but I'm not made of money...I did manage to order 28 (including 4 each of plasma and melta, plus the 2 each of flamer and GL that come in the squads) kasrkin at the last minute.  I called my FLGS in a panic when I saw that the models were taken down, but they are safely in the shop owner's hands waiting for me to pick them up.

CURSES!!!!  The two boxes of kasrkin were there, but the blisters of melta/plasma were not.  Apparently, the distributor only had three of the four that I wanted, so he held back all of those?  Dumb.  I'm going to be exceptionally angry if I have to go dumpster-diving on ebay (just looked...pickings are slim to nonexistent) for my special weapons because they end up canceling my order.

[-Volsung-]

Oh, here's a semi-positive thought:

 

It's possible that the Kasrkin models will be re-released as Finecast. If that is the case, and for them to be removed so soon, perhaps the next release is the IG codex after all, as the Kasrkin will then be "unveiled" as "New and in Finecast!"

 

Me personally, I spit on Finecast, so I'm nevertheless grateful that I was able to get the metal box set along with the special weapons team. 

 

EDIT:

 

Try calling Warstore. I was able to get the old Citadel paints almost a year after they were taken down (now it's completely gone, however).

[Nicodemus Doloroso]

I've never understood the unrelenting Finecast hate. I've NEVER had any problems with it and it's a dream to convert with compared to metal (I just finished spending part of my evening sawing the hat off an inquisitor for a conversion)

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I've never understood the unrelenting Finecast hate. I've NEVER had any problems with it and it's a dream to convert with compared to metal (I just finished spending part of my evening sawing the hat off an inquisitor for a conversion)

 

When it first came out, the QC was really bad. Probably 70% of the product should never have made it to a store shelf. I had numerous figures or boxes of figures replace several times before I finally got a good quality cast, but recently, I haven't had any issues with it. As a crazy converter, I love the ease with which my blades slice through it.

 

*edit*

Personally, I'd LOVE to see Kasrkin in Finecast so I could chop them up and make some different poses.

[WarriorFish]

Finecast was fantastic when it worked, the problem was of course when it didn't as Kage said! All rumour and recent events point to Finecast being dead though, so don't expect anything new coming out in it.

[-Volsung-]

Indeed there is a trend for plastic among the Warhammer games, but finecast is still being used for the Hobbit models (which requires and has rooms for less conversion opportunities, as how many poses of Gandalf do you really want to achieve?)

 

However, if GW feels lazy and want to release things without resculpting it, they still have the option of finecast-ing certain lines (which they have done in the past, albeit the plastic Hero phase did not yet happen) in reference to fine-casting 2nd edition models.

 

However, I do agree. As it seems, Kasrkin are probably off the shelves.

 

As for Finecast hate, it's a matter of principle. Consider it a boycott for the botched release of overpriced models (deemed to be the best resin models in the world by GW) made with a cheaper costing material, and resulting in initial released plagued with terrible bubble flaws. And then, they have the balls to still call it the "best resin models in the world" prior to fixing the bubbling. I don't care if its "fixed" now, they don't deserve my money for it. But this is a subject for a different topic, so I just wanted to square that out. 

[Heru]

Indeed there is a trend for plastic among the Warhammer games, but finecast is still being used for the Hobbit models (which requires and has rooms for less conversion opportunities, as how many poses of Gandalf do you really want to achieve?)

Isn't the general consensus that GW wants to ditch the Lotr / Hobbit license? If that is the case, it isn't too surprising for them to release that stuff in a material they also plan on ditching.

 

As for Finecast hate, it's a matter of principle. Consider it a boycott for the botched release of overpriced models (deemed to be the best resin models in the world by GW) made with a cheaper costing material, and resulting in initial released plagued with terrible bubble flaws.

You forgot the price increase that came along with the release (cheaper material = RAISE PRICES).

[march10k]

Yay!  My kasrkin special weapons came through after all...and as for whether they're about to be fine-casted, I guess we'll find out when the online store goes back online?

 

In the meantime, C:TM dropped, and I'm now planning three five man squads and a HQ squad instead of two or three ten man squads, so while I have enough special weapons, I now need more sergeants, since they don't get the option to take a rifle in place of the pistol and sword (more's the pity).  There was a really great vendor at adepticon who had a hlaf dozen or so used ones in baggies.  I'll email him...