Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 In what world is 20 krak missile shots something people look down on? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I am in love with them, but they are just so expensive :) Not looking down, just stating that it might actually not be yet that strong for the price Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 To those who have the book... do they mention Traitor Knight Houses by name? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Â Â Â Anyone know if tyrant siege terminators would be able to fire both the missile and their (combi)-bolter? You can in 40k, so presumably you should in 30kNo, you can't. CMLs can only be fired with Storm Bolters. Because storm bolters and combi bolters are so different it wouldn't make sense to be able to use a combi bolter with a CML in 30K? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Is there any explaination as to the silver and yellow Imperial Fists, is it their early crusade colour scheme? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Is there any explaination as to the silver and yellow Imperial Fists, is it their early crusade colour scheme? Â Unification Scheme - yellow right arm insignia typical of the Legion just after the Fall of Roma - helmet stripe indicates sergeant Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortarion24 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 Now, I LOVE the stuff that's come out, with 2 minor exceptions.  1. Alpharius - I think this may come across as a bit...odd...but I think he is TOO good. I was expecting something a little less in-your-face powerful. Maybe WS6 W5 or something, BUT having the option for Omegon; or an ability to re-hide after he had been revealed (it turns out it wasn't Alpharius at all)  Anyone else feel the same? I wanted a -little- more sneaky and a -little- less powerful although I have to say I'm happy to use his rules as they are :P  2. Corax - I get why he is WS 7 with his weapons rules but tbh I feel he should be WS 8 really!    I'm loving it despite these minor niggles, although can someone point out to me the big pro's I'm possibly missing about the Lernean Terminators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpiousSmart Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I'm really looking forward to the first lists people write, and how they intend to use the XXths Rite Of War. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I actually like how good Alpharius is. It's part of the whole mystery that goes with the Alpha Legion that he can fly so totally under the radar but can seriously smash face. Â On the flip side, the ending to Legion kinda jars with that. I mean, getting impaled by...you know. Doesn't fit. Â But still, seriously looking forward to his model. And it hasn't been ruled out as one of those that Simon is working on for the Weekender Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I may 41 Alpharius models. One for the primarch and then 2 20 men squads for him to hide in :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I love the fact that he is armed with a xenos spear. Typical Alpha Legion pragmatism... "hey, I could use that, why don't I?" :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Â On the flip side, the ending to Legion kinda jars with that. I mean, getting impaled by...you know. Doesn't fit. Â Â But that was "Alpharius" not Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3639949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 On the flip side, the ending to Legion kinda jars with that. I mean, getting impaled by...you know. Doesn't fit. Â But still, seriously looking forward to his model. And it hasn't been ruled out as one of those that Simon is working on for the Weekender I was under the impression that that was Ranko, the marine big enough to impersonate the Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Yep, the phrasing of 'that's all you get' implies it is a marine from the command tent and not Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 In the middle of lifting class I uttered a curse & dropped my weights when I connected Alpharius' Pale Spear (Double bladed, smoky, cuts through anything, ancient tech) with the  Soulspear. So what are the chances that the Soul Drinkers are Alpha descendants?   HERESY! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Just a heads up: apparently in the Collectors edition, there are a few alterations to the rules from the previous 2 books, which include: *Librarian has level 2 mastery level maximum *Palantine Blades can buy phoenix guard spears *WE rules tweak: +1 WS in challenges *EC rules tweak: +1 I in challenges *Medusan Immortals now have 5+ FNP save instead of 6+ *Fulgrim can now take Fireblade: MC Paragon Blade with 5+ instant death Might be others, but I'm guessing these will get an errata for the existing books some time soon Edit: some more changes, directly copied from Garro's post in the Heresy30k forum -Justaerin terminators have had a rather large points drop, their now 205pts for 3 (-20pts) and only 40pts for each additional (-5pts each) so in total thats 70pts less for a full 10man squad. they also now have 'chosen warriors' so their all characters. overall I think their much better now. -the old dreadclaw is gone, so its just the new anvilus pattern, which is 15pts more, but has the same burning rules as the Kharybdis. -under the orbital assault rite of war, rapier batteries may now take drop pods as dedicated transports - all references to "space marine jetbike" now say "space marine scimitar jetbike" the rules in the back state that a scimitar jetbike conferes the jetbike unit type, +1 toughness and a +2 armour save (sky hunters now 2+ armour as well, with no points increase). judging by this, FW plans to release different jetbike units and models from book 4 onwards. -the apothecarion detachment can now join several legion specific units: Night lords terror squad, Salamander pyroclast squads, alpha legion headhunter killteams, imperial fists phalanc warder squads. -BIG ONE HERE GUYS! the tactical support squad sergeant now comes with a flamer, and may upgrade alongside the rest, like the heavy support sergeant. going to be converting some of my sergeants now. the squad can also take volkite chargers as well as the calivers, so you can have either long range fire or short range on the move. -emperor's children palatine blade squads are now 5-10 men, additional are 20pts a pop. -Deathshroud terminators are now 'characters'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpiousSmart Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Squads of Ten Palatine Blades sounds much better than 5. And with Phoenix spears too... Hmmm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 So glad they tweaked the tactical support squad :) Â Â And 2+ armor on sky hunters? YEAH BUDDY!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Although it's gutting that the books are out of date already (let's face it they're pretty to look at mainly, I've typed up my Army list stuff anyway) it's awesome they're updating the 'issues'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 2+ saves for Scimitars makes them way more worth it. Even more so if the points cost is unchanged for buying them for Consuls who start with Power Armor. It's like a 10 point discount, since they get free Artificer Armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3640424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Do we have a clue about the White Scars? They don't seem to fit anywhere in the books already planned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3642666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Squad of 3 Scimitar Jetbikes with multi-meltas led by a sergeant with a Phoenix Spear? 2nd turn character wound machine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3642668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkyn Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Yay! Tac Support sarges are useful! And taking chargers? Oh man, I love me some volkites. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3642670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Do we have a clue about the White Scars? They don't seem to fit anywhere in the books already planned. Last I heard, though I believe it was fan speculation, was that they would be introduced during the Siege trilogy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288774-a-plea-for-information-from-someone-who-cant-afford-to-go/page/8/#findComment-3642681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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