Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Missing the Notable Battles section, but here is an in-depth rundown of their fluff Early Years -1st Battalions were created from across Terra, even in domains where other legionshad ‘Rights of Tithe’ -Recruits were selected from those with the greatest endurance, mentally and physically-Many were taciturn, slow to talk but quick to act-Used a wide pool because the VII legion geneseed implantation was painful than other legions-Described as grim-Focused on conquest of new systems-Described as seeing the whole vision of the Imperium, conquering and then holding what was conquered (unlike most other legions)-Though they excelled at building and garrisoning, their real calling was Crusading-They would leave well ordered compliant cities in their wake, but were always on the move (massive recruiting efforts sustained them)-Massed shock assaults were the VII Legions preferred tactics, often with multiple battalions taking to the field.-Everytime the broke a noncompliant world, they left behind something stronger-Emperor personally gave them the name the Imperial Fists after their earliest lands they conquered ‘looked as if the Emperor had grasped them in his Fist’Inwit -When the Legion reunited with Dorn, there was no culture shift, it just reinforced traits already present because of Dorn’s upbringing on Inwit-Orbits a red star-Tidally locked-Surrounded by a vast network of shipyards and space fortresses, master ship builders-The people are the worlds only resource, their martial nature led to them conquering a massive tract of space before the coming of the Emperor-Mixture of Space Prussian Ice Hives and nomadic Eskimos-Every world was conquered, assimilated, and reinforced but the masters of the world kept their people living in the old ways so they wouldn’t give up their strengths through opulence-Rogal grew up apart of House Dorn of the Ice Caste, and became Emperor of the Inwit Cluster-Dorn grew the empire more than any other Emperor, reorganized and trained its armies, and engineered advanced space craft-When Dorn and the Emperor reunited, the Emperor welcomed a massive and strong empire into his Imperium forged into a tool of war.Primarch and Legion Reunite-The Imperial Fists were the Crusaders of the Imperial Truth -Dorn was calculating, but once committed to an action saw it through to the end -His rare bursts of emotion were were ‘capable of shaking the ground and darkeningthe sun’ -Dorn had a incident with Kurze and a brief falling out with Ferrus Manus becauseof his unseen brooding that others couldn’t pick up on -The integration of the Primarch and Legion was faster than others: When he firstmet them, he said nothing until he saw them in battle and told them they hadmuch to do, and more to learn. -He gave honor of the rank of High Castellan of the Inwit Cluster to the Legion Master,tasked him with raising 30 regiments of legionaries, and immediately setout on the Crusade -They didn’t draw any riches from conquered worlds like other legions, just recruits.They recruited as many as the Ultramarine and Word Bearers, but thetrials of initiation were so hard and the geneseed implantation so mentallyand physically painful it killed many. -New companies were sometimes completely comprised of recruits from culturesthat would get diluted over time Favored Sons -As the great crusade continued the Imperial Fists were highly honored and favored by the Emperor -When other legions were unable to continue forward, the Emperor would usethe Imperial Fists to regain the initiative, when the frontlines swung back againstthe Imperials, the Fists would lead the counter thrust, stalemates and deadlockedsieges were similarly broken by the Fists. -They won more personal honors from the Emperor than any other legion -Their favored treatment, mixed with Dorn’s personality caused some Primarchs(mostly the traitor Primarchs, to regard him as hubristic and arrogant)to dislike him, and again his stubbornness wouldn’t allow him to mendbridges (his biggest flaw IMO). -The Emperor would task Dorn with ensuring post-conquest compliances wereachieved according to his exact vision -To many worlds, they considered the Imperial Fists the rock on which the foundationsof the Imperium were built -Dorn’s mannerisms drew admiration from many as often as it drew their ire (theStannis Baratheon of Primarchs) -Even though Dorn was so highly favored, the Emperor passed right over him forWarmaster, primarily because of his Draconian and stubborn personality. Whenin command, Dorn’s personality would cause friction, unlike Horus whocould get a team together. -The Emperor instead honored Dorn by making him Praetorian, and it is implicatedthat because Horus was given control of compliance and Dorn wenthome with the Emperor, that ‘the fate of the Emperor and all his Sons wasset’ Unit Organization and Structure -Retained Belicosa pattern -Schism in predominant units: Assault units backed by special weapon units andheavy support squads. Favorite heavy weapons: Missile Launchers and Lascannons. -Heavy proponents of Terminator Armor, with large numbers of all 3 patterns.Get early assault cannons and super storm shields -Regiment/Crusade/Household to Battaltion to Company to Squad organizationflow -Templars: Named as the Guardians of the secular Temple of Oaths aboard thePhalanx. Only Templars can enter as they please -The Templars were the nominal 1st Company and their commander was always2nd in command of the Legion -There was no fixed ‘inner circle’ like the Mournival or 10 Lord Commanders ofthe III Legion -Technically there was nothing between the Dorn and his Captains, but a levelof subdivided command (fleet and siege masters, theatre commanders, andMarshals) -Fleet Masters were in charge of the fleet in a campaign, siege masters were inultimate command in sieges. These titles were appointed and technically answerableonly to the Primarch himself -The 1st Captain was the only person outside the Primarch who had unconditionalauthority over the legion. -Castellans and Seneschals commanded fortresses, but retained the title after returningto the Crusade efforts War Disposition-Bulk of IF’s were returning to Terra -The Fists were never a huge legion, its attrition rates were balanced with its massiverecruitment, which is why they didn’t meet the UM or WB numbers withsimilar numbers of recruits -Estimated to be around 100,000 strong at the outbreak of the Heresy. -Had a fleet of over 1500 ships and many more bonded by fealty. -Many of the Fists ships were of the largest classes in the Imperium. Even the Sonsof Horus and Ultramarines didn’t have as many. Dorn vs Perturabo -Both were taciturn, both unyielding, both sublime artisans of war -Instantly disliked one another from their first meeting -Pattern of interaction might explain the animosity -Both were stubborn and more so when challenged, spoke rarely, and were brooding(but Dorn is noted as doing so without others noticing) -The silence of one would aggravate the other, the blunt honesty would rouse theother to anger, and once the dispute was begun neither would yield -Very alike, but the areas of difference might’ve caused the rift: Both favored siegecraft, both were pragmatic in nature, but Perturabo would be brutally directand not care about casualties. Dorn wouldn’t baulk at high casualties if therewas no other way, but Perturabo viewed Legionaries as expendable. -Summed up as a series of pressures, disparities, perceived slights, mischances,and the two Primarch’s stubborn natures that perpetuated the animositymore than any event. Fortresses in the Stars -The greatest fortresses built by the Fists were star forts -Imperial Fists relished void war -Greatest sieges of the Great Crusade were in the void, peerless in high- intensityvoid war and ship-to-ship combat -Treated their ships like fortresses free from gravity -Dorn rebuilt the phalanx from a massive wreck orbiting Inwit and gave it to theEmperor -The Phalanx was more powerful than whole battlefleets and was a lynchpin ofthe efforts of the great crusade and played a major role in the defense of Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
reckoning Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for the info M2C. Some really good stuff in there. Not sure I like how their favorite heavy weapons are the missile launcher and lascannon though. Always pictured them favoring the heavy bolter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Sounds like a pretty favorable position for the IF based on this. Lauded, successful, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 The other Legions are just as thoroughly explored. Its by far the best of the 3 so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 FW is setting them up to get ground to paste in the Siege, and then eventually into something unrecognizable after the Iron Cage. Just you wait, gentlemen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Yeah I really think that Alan Bligh has it nailed down. I can't wait to get my hands on this book. You can see him dipping his toes in the proverbial water with the first book, expanding and warming up in the second book, and going all out in the 3rd book. Any fluff on relations between IF and the mechanicum? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 Not particularly. Their expertise is void warfare though, so I imagine they'd have to be pretty close, logistically. There is a blurb about their ships in there that make me want to beg for FW Battlefleet gothic models. The Halcyon from Crimson Fist is one of the largest ships outside of the Abyss class and the Fists have many of them :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Interesting, so the Templar 'identity' was around before Sigismund rose to First Captain. Any chance this, much appreciated, gathering of fluff be done for the Raven Guard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Magnus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up for the crew and take my money already! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Anymore on the previous 8 or does it focus explicitly on the new 4? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I guess dorn ruled the most territory before being found by the emperor? Strange that there is so little on Inwit in 40k, perhaps someone pays it a visit during the heresy and/ or scouring? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 Some of the important Raven guard fluff is too blury to see. Same with Alpha legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 the RG is too blurry?!? $%^&*()_+!!! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFH Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thank you very much for this information. So were Marshals the equivalent of Chapter Masters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 Marshals look to be battalion level commanders like on the organization chart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Some of the important Raven guard fluff is too blury to see. Same with Alpha legion. http://www.damnlol.com/pics/152/a6eb6262eca5267eb7449387da9f3fab.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 @Cormac: same here. From what I've read of the RG rules, I aint impressed. If the fluff matches, I'll pass on the purchase and just cherry pick the rules. *Let me clarify on the RG rules: they are perfectly fluffy. They are just nowhere near as effective as any of their Legionary counterparts.* WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The Fists may now be my second favourite Legion. Let's hear it for Rogal Baratheon and his multicultural Fists! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for the summary, Marshal. Sounds mostly good. Mostly. -Recruits were selected from those with the greatest endurance, mentally and physically-Many were taciturn, slow to talk but quick to act-Used a wide pool because the VII legion geneseed implantation was painful than other legions I am not really a fan of how the initial recruits in the FW HH books somehow miraculously already had all the genetic traits the Legion would eventually be known for. I suppose this is not as bad as with the Night Lords. -They would leave well ordered compliant cities in their wake, but were always on the move (massive recruiting efforts sustained them) (...) -Everytime the broke a noncompliant world, they left behind something stronger (...) -The people are the worlds only resource, their martial nature led to them conquering a massive tract of space before the coming of the Emperor (...) -Every world was conquered, assimilated, and reinforced but the masters of the world kept their people living in the old ways so they wouldn’t give up their strengths through opulence (...) -Dorn grew the empire more than any other Emperor, reorganized and trained its armies, and engineered advanced space craft-When Dorn and the Emperor reunited, the Emperor welcomed a massive and strong empire into his Imperium forged into a tool of war. Somehow that all sounds awfully familiar. I can't put my finger on it... -Estimated to be around 100,000 strong at the outbreak of the Heresy. -Had a fleet of over 1500 ships and many more bonded by fealty. -Many of the Fists ships were of the largest classes in the Imperium. Even the Sons of Horus and Ultramarines didn’t have as many. Not as many large ships, or not as many ships in general? The Ultramarines would probably have needed more than 1500 shipt to move around 250,000 men. (I suppose if they only had Battle Barges, they could have made due with about 1000...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Great Crusade era Battle-barges are not post Heresy Battle-barges. If all they had were the biggest, they could get away with less than three hundred ships. As for large ships, didn't Massacre say that the Death Guard had the most? Though it did note that it didn't have the more in total than the likes of the Sons of Horus, the Imperial Fists or Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for the summary, Marshal. Sounds mostly good. Mostly. -Recruits were selected from those with the greatest endurance, mentally and physically -Many were taciturn, slow to talk but quick to act -Used a wide pool because the VII legion geneseed implantation was painful than other legions I am not really a fan of how the initial recruits in the FW HH books somehow miraculously already had all the genetic traits the Legion would eventually be known for. I suppose this is not as bad as with the Night Lords. -They would leave well ordered compliant cities in their wake, but were always on the move (massive recruiting efforts sustained them) (...) -Everytime the broke a noncompliant world, they left behind something stronger (...) -The people are the worlds only resource, their martial nature led to them conquering a massive tract of space before the coming of the Emperor (...) -Every world was conquered, assimilated, and reinforced but the masters of the world kept their people living in the old ways so they wouldn’t give up their strengths through opulence (...) -Dorn grew the empire more than any other Emperor, reorganized and trained its armies, and engineered advanced space craft -When Dorn and the Emperor reunited, the Emperor welcomed a massive and strong empire into his Imperium forged into a tool of war. Somehow that all sounds awfully familiar. I can't put my finger on it... -Estimated to be around 100,000 strong at the outbreak of the Heresy. -Had a fleet of over 1500 ships and many more bonded by fealty. -Many of the Fists ships were of the largest classes in the Imperium. Even the Sons of Horus and Ultramarines didn’t have as many. Not as many large ships, or not as many ships in general? The Ultramarines would probably have needed more than 1500 shipt to move around 250,000 men. (I suppose if they only had Battle Barges, they could have made due with about 1000...) With battle barges like the Dominus class which could carry 3,000 troops(Betrayer by A D-B ), the number "needed" to transport would become variable as it becomes dependent on how many you can fit onto what type of ship, how many of each type you have, etc. And when your Legion builds star forts for kicks and giggles, something tells me you build an escort fleet for each one as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 It is mentioned as being 1500 ships, and specifically mentions that the Sons of Horus and Ultramarines didn't come close. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 It is mentioned as being 1500 ships, and specifically mentions that the Sons of Horus and Ultramarines didn't come close. How does that even...did Dorn demand that every Fist have his own cabin with a seperate kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, and closet while Horus and Guilliman just crammed guys in on top of one another like sardines? Also, it seems a bit wonky that the Legion with the biggest fleet, that is to say, the largest amount of things to crusade around conquering worlds with, got yanked off world conquering duty and used to garrison Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Part of the summary says some of the ships are attached to the Legion out of oaths of fealty. Who aays there has to be Astartes on very single ship? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 One assumes only part of the Legion got yanked off to Terra. The rest were free to spread the steel good word of the Emperor. That their somewhat masochistic tendencies have some roots in their own geneseed is interesting, and it provides a dark twist to their stone-ish personalities - much like Dorn's brooding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/#findComment-3638529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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