Conn Eremon Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Lucius getting punked was bad writing? Which time? WLK The one against teen angst Anakin. Definitely that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Lucius getting punked was bad writing? Which time? WLK Well let's put it this way. The Loyalist equivalent of Lucius' portrayal would be if Russ was beaten by a blind traitor who had one arm tied behind his back and used a toy stick. Repeatedly. Or if Sigismund gets beaten at Terra by some no-name Alpha Legionnaire and he only survives because an Apothecary revived him or the Legionnaire let him live for some strange reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I am aware of Lucius being defeated in CC by two opponents at this point, Sharrowkyn and Loken. How do either of these characters compare to either "some no-name Alpha Legionnaire" or a "blind traitor who had yadda yadda yadda"? Because Sharrowkyn seems to be a elite member of the Raven Guard, and Loken played by a different set of rules. More importantly, while Lucius is "immortal", his own personal fluff has him being killed prior to the HH series and coming back when his killer takes pride in it. So there was proof that while he is/was a amazing swordsman, he isn't the perfect unbeatable warrior he believes himself to be. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Why does everyone forget Saul Tarvitz walloped the tar out of that prancing ninny in Galaxy in Flames ? And please don't remind me of Sharrowkyn's little "Okay, dude who I have singled out on the battlefield TWICE to have epic Highlander swordfights with, I totes take no satisfaction or pride at all in killing you, check and mate, Slaaneshi curse!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 So, getting back on topic somewhat (I think roughly 50% of this thread is not about what's advertised in the title ), I'm liking what I hear about Inwit, although now I'm left wondering if we'll find out any more of it's history as the series continues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I am still surprised that Inwit isn't really mentioned in 40k, as far as I know by that point the fists are based on the phalanx with no mention of recruitment from Inwit. This leads me to believe that Inwit isn't doing so well post heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Was a loyalist home world ever attacked during the Heresy or Scouring? If not, could be some ripe ground, and Inwit is a prime target. Plus, imagine Dorn and his mindset just prior to the Iron Cage if the death of Inwit was added to the list of weighty burdens creating cracks on the Stone Man's shoulders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Caliban was attacked from within if that counts? I think Inwit is mentioned in Space Marine, though it is a rather old piece so BL may be willing to retcon it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3650904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 13, 2014 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 There is nothing of value on Inwit. There are, however, massive shipyards and a veritable treasure trove of Dark Age orbital defenses that kept the dangers of old night at bay for millennia. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 There is nothing of value on Inwit. There are, however, massive shipyards and a veritable treasure trove of Dark Age orbital defenses that kept the dangers of old night at bay for millennia. The Inwit-ians have 90 different words for snowy death world Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 There is nothing of value on Inwit. There are, however, massive shipyards and a veritable treasure trove of Dark Age orbital defenses that kept the dangers of old night at bay for millennia. The Inwit-ians have 90 different words for snowy death world But only 2 for love. One is only in reference to bacon and the other is only used before a safe word. In seriousness, I thought Inwit had mediocre tech (local system tradeships) and it's main resource is people Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 what are the shipyards themselves made of, and what ressources do they use to buiild ships there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Was there any reference or vague hint/reference that ANY Imperial Fist units may have gone traitor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 No. Inwit is still around in the 41st Millennium, so a Traitor attack is unlikely. Also, a spiteful gesture like that would be a large waste of Traitor resources. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydriatus Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Spiteful gestures are kinda the traitors' thing though...I mean, Horus less lead the traitor primarchs and more...well, tried to keep up. It seems less like an orchestrated grand rebellion and literally a mad dash before this house of cards collapses in on itself due to Alpharius' scheming, Kurze's murder sprees, Angron having kinda become immortal but still seeking the ultimate slaughter, Perturabo self-dustructing by endlessly throwing himself against loyalists, Lorgar getting distracted from Horus' plans by the Dark Gods (who are running their own plans), Fulgrim having hone beyond anything resembling restraint and it only taking a long day for him to turn on the others for fun. Mortarion seems like the only one remotely reliable, though he'd wipe out the Imperium through salted earth pollicy and leave Horus as the conqueror of a decaying galaxy...Anyway back on topic...the Phalanx itself got boarded in recent BL lore, so who knows, Inwit could suffer an attack or two. Those shipyards cerrtainly sound like they need to be blockaded if not wiped out to allow access to Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Why would the Inwit shipyards need to be blockaded/destroyed in order to allow access to Terra? I'm not sure that's how space flight works. Also, what are they going to do? It takes years to build a ship, sometimes even centuries. The Inwit shipyards aren't going to be able to do anything that would impact on the traitors, apart from refitting and refuelling loyalist fleets. Destroying them just means that when Horus eventually wins and becomes the new Emperor, he's lost one of the most valuable shipyards in the galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 13, 2014 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 No references to Imperial Fists going rogue. It goes out of its way to explain the dogma of the Legion goes Emperor -> Dorn -> nominally first captain -> theatre, fleet, siege masters and marshals -> captains. The other Primarchs are extensions of the Emperor's will, but loyalty to the Primarch is the same as loyalty to the Emperor. So if Horus contradicts the Emperor, then an Imperial Fist would side with the Emperor. In the BL novels we see this first when Dorn equates Sigismunds choice to return to Terra as if he directly disobeyed the Emperor and again when Polux tells Guilliman he'd be happy to hang out on Macragge until a clear path to Terra opens up and then he and his men are leaving. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 No. Inwit is still around in the 41st Millennium, so a Traitor attack is unlikely. Also, a spiteful gesture like that would be a large waste of Traitor resources. Fenris is still around too, though they got hit by the Thousand Sons. Ultramar has gotten torn up by the Word Bearers, World Eaters and Iron Warriors, still around. Medusa has been stuck by the lost and damned, still around. Terra herself was hit by the traitor Legions nearly in their entirety, still around. Attacked =/= annihilated. I could see Inwit taking a walloping at some point. And, yeah, spiteful gestures are what it's about, man. Talos and the Death Scream, the Iron Empire centered around Olympia during the Scouring, the Alpha Legions' shenanigans, and on and on.... For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee... a plague on both your houses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 A space siege of Inwit during the Scouring would make my heart weep with joy. Personally, in an ideal world, Perturabo sacks Inwit while Dorn is raging his way across Olympia, and it sets the stage for the Iron Cage. It would be even better if Sebastus IV is a world in the same cluster as Olympia Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3651865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Inwit is south of Terra near Tallarn so it's possible the Iron Warriors stopped by, then again if the Iron Warriors were forced to flee Tallarn then perhaps they never got the chance to strike at Inwit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3652152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 iron warriors never fled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3652232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Tactical relocation from Tallarn was it? Or did all the Iron Warriors die on Tallarn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3652291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The Iron Warriors in Paramar did retreat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3652295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 iron warriors never fled. They do do Brave Sir Robin impressions very well, though. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3652302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Not all of the 77th Grand Battalion was at Paramar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/4/#findComment-3652303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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