Greyall Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I've yet to read the battle's full account, but the leader and a few others did retreat before the last strike by the Alpha Legion and Dark Mechanicus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I have the book. Yes, they do retreat. Vhalen is described as being 'screaming his hate, , dragged away by his apothecaries' or to that extent, so angry is he. The Grand Battalion has 2800 Iron Warriors at Paramar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The Iron Fourth does not run. But occasionally, they do strategically redeploy with style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 "Brave Sir Robin ran away. Bravely ran away away. When danger reared it's ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about And gallantly he chickened out." :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I am curious what led to the Fists switching to recruiting from Necromundan hive gangs rather than from Inwit. I can't imagine that was a Scouring development either, since Necromundan settlement wasn't until well after the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 They left a fortress on the world after wiping out the natives. Only makes sense they came back later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 They never occupied worlds they only established a small chapel on the worlds they brought to compliance or rescued just for recruiting, they never took actual control over the worlds affairs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wasn't Paramar a Loyalist victory? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The second battle of paramar was afaik, a victory for the loyalist titans and dark angels I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I am curious what led to the Fists switching to recruiting from Necromundan hive gangs rather than from Inwit. I can't imagine that was a Scouring development either, since Necromundan settlement wasn't until well after the Heresy.You're assuming they recruit solely from Necromunda. More than a few Chapters(especially Fleet bound ones like the Imperial Fists) recruit from multiple worlds. Recall the novel Sons of Dorn. The three scouts were from a feudal world, not Necromunda. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The fists recruit from terra, inwit, necrons DA and several other planets. According to sentinels of terra they can replace their losses faster than any loyalist chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3652430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jifel Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I've yet to read the battle's full account, but the leader and a few others did retreat before the last strike by the Alpha Legion and Dark Mechanicus. I have the book. Yes, they do retreat. Vhalen is described as being 'screaming his hate, , dragged away by his apothecaries' or to that extent, so angry is he. The Grand Battalion has 2800 Iron Warriors at Paramar. Wait, wait. Alpha Legion vs Iron Warriors at Paramar? What is this (double) Heresy? I'm assuming then that Vhalen and his IWs are loyalists? Or are the Alpha Legion just being confusing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 They're loyalist Iron Warriors, mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Loyalist may be stretching it a bit. More like, "the Iron Warriors were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ignorant of the Isstvaan massacre. Thus, hell broke loose." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Loyalist in that they were completely unaware of there even being a betrayal, let alone know of their own Legion's involvement in it, until they witnessed the Alpha Legion attack a base they were going to for refit and resupply. So they performed a ship to ship headbutt. Only reasonable reaction to the situation, really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So they performed a ship to ship headbutt. Only reasonable reaction to the situation, really. ...While their ship captain cursed loudly and profusely, driving their armoured behemoth of a warship on overdrive straight through the guts of the Alpha Legion warship. God, I love the Iron Warriors. If you have a problem, apply brute force. Still got a problem? You're not applying enough force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 If only they could have just a bit more faith in a higher power. A more metaphysical one than "The howitzers we put on top of that ridge", I mean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 In 30k, there's no higher power than a 155mm raining Phosphex down on the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The only Legion that factors in how cursing multiplies the force applied. The only Legion to turn the bloody ballet of cursing and violence into the cold, hard logic of science. The Alpha Legion have a lot to learn from the Iron Warriors on integrative tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Didn't the Warsmith say Perturabo was a thrice-cursed Traitor? Doesn't exactly sound "not quite Loyalist" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 That was Veteran Sergeant Titus Avvon who says that. He was also seperated from the Warsmith, so, who knows? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 If only they could have just a bit more faith in a higher power. A more metaphysical one than "The howitzers we put on top of that ridge", I mean. please no. that is their point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Didn't the Warsmith say Perturabo was a thrice-cursed Traitor? Doesn't exactly sound "not quite Loyalist" That was following the initial attack, right? They had no knowledge of it at the beginning. I feel their continued loyalty and opinion of Perturabo was more due to their stubbornness and being attacked by another of the traitors rather than their own sense of loyalty. Who knows what might have happened if they had encountered one of their own, and the truth made clear to them from the start. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288853-if-background-from-extermination/page/5/#findComment-3655884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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