HaSY Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 hey, if anyone can publish their fluff from book 3 ... it would be great!! cheers!another question is the figure in war disposition section of Alpha Legion: do they have figure reaching 130,000 or 180,000 marines?Cheers again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I want to know but i wanted to wait for the book myself. Ahhhhhhhhh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkyn Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I will give someone an internet brohug to whomever does this. And an option to be a member of one of my armies. The pages that have already been revealed are quite blurry, but I can make out some words. But it's not enough. We need more! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 From what is legible to me, they were around 1-2000 during unification and early great crusade. They were used exactly like special forces are nowadays. They would travel through war zones in other legions colors so no one would know who they were or what they were doing. Did a lot of assassinations and sabotage. Important to note, it differentiates between them doing clandestine missions (impossible to infiltrate a population if you're 8 feet tall) and covert, direct action. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Huh. So basically Cold War-era CIA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Yeah they have been around doing secret things since the start, no solid records but there was definitely a Ghost Legion working directly (Presumably) for the Emperor, brought up to full strength just before finding Alpharius (Or Was he there all along?) and had a solid, if unpredictable war record. Horus also used them for "Special Projects" but even he was beginning to worry about his control of them!On paper had a strength of 130k but it seems they had a strength closer to 180k based on deployments. They also seemed to have an unusually large recruitment base (*cough*) recovering quickly from even catastrophic losses and obviously had a number of hidden storehouses and manufacturing facilities off the books, see for example the Modified Prototype Mk6 they werent supposed to have (But did in huge numbers) and things like Banestrike rounds and their unusual numbers of warmachines and materiel.Its very interesting to read through! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Does it mention how long a gap there was between Alpharius being found and him taking command of the Legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 All good so far. I need more.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 All good so far. I need more.... Aaaaah, you beat me to it with that avatar picture! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 It tells you 6 lies about Alpharius' Origin ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 It tells you 6 lies about Alpharius' Origin ;) Don't tease me dude, I'll have a headhunter team after you. Excessus: One of many :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 It tells you 6 lies about Alpharius' Origin and one truth, yes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Ugh. And once again, FW informs us that the eccentric doctrines of a Legion were not as we thought the result of the Primarch taking over and imposing the doctrines he learned growing up, but that the Legion had been fighting in exactly that unique and unusual way all along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Ugh. And once again, FW informs us that the eccentric doctrines of a Legion were not as we thought the result of the Primarch taking over and imposing the doctrines he learned growing up, but that the Legion had been fighting in exactly that unique and unusual way all along. You know what they say when you assume. That Games Workshop, et al., will prove you wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Ugh. And once again, FW informs us that the eccentric doctrines of a Legion were not as we thought the result of the Primarch taking over and imposing the doctrines he learned growing up, but that the Legion had been fighting in exactly that unique and unusual way all along. Does this disappoint you or strike you as not accurate? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 To be fair though, FW has really hammered home evidence that the Emperor knew what his sons would be like through the genes he gave them, and recruited their legions accordingly. It's why he isn't surprised when Perturabo decimates his Legion, let's Corax take over Deliverance, Or snatches Angron out of the mountains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Ugh. And once again, FW informs us that the eccentric doctrines of a Legion were not as we thought the result of the Primarch taking over and imposing the doctrines he learned growing up, but that the Legion had been fighting in exactly that unique and unusual way all along. But as usual, the Primarchs cranks that up to 11 and beyond. I'm glad we finally got some proper history about the Alpha Legion... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I wanted to say that in the particular case of Alpharius it was merely implausible. That either by sheer coincidence the Legion of Alpharius is employed using similar tactics that Alpharius grows up learning and embracing on his homeworld, or that being sneaky is somehow genetic. But then I checked the Index Astartes of the Alpha Legion again, and it does say that Alpharius developed his doctrines after being given command over the Legion, and thoroughly trained his officiers. This would have stood out even when this was the only case. But it is very similar for the Night Lords and the Imperial Fists. Maybe for the others as well? I have not read the two FW books thoroughly. Next volume they might be explaining to us that the initial Space Wolves Legionnaires were recruited in the northern parts of europe and used to decorate their armour in pelts. Edit: To be fair though, FW has really hammered home evidence that the Emperor knew what his sons would be like through the genes he gave them, and recruited their legions accordingly. Ah, yes. The "dog genes" for Space Wolves. *shudder*Edit edit: The Emperor looked up from the microscope and frowned. He took another look, but the cells were not easy to identify. "Adept Tzeenicus, are these treason chromosomes in the gene-seed?" "Certainly not, my lord. How would they get in there?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I'm going to imagine the initial space wolf recruits are kept separate from the other legions like the first salamander and alpha legion recruits as part of the trefoil. Also, Russ was found second after Horus, so there isn't much time for the space wolves to develop away from the Fenrisians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Ugh. And once again, FW informs us that the eccentric doctrines of a Legion were not as we thought the result of the Primarch taking over and imposing the doctrines he learned growing up, but that the Legion had been fighting in exactly that unique and unusual way all along.I have to agree with Legatus. Seems to be a cop out on FW's part ("I have to get the Alpha Legion section done before tomorrow! Okay...how did they fight before Alpharius...I know! Exactly the way they do after Alpharius! Great! Now, on to the Rite of War!") I wag my finger admonishingly, Forge World. I wag it admonishingly at thee. It gets even sillier. Look at the Night Lords: "I grew up in a lightless hellhole, using fear as a weapon to survive among criminal scum." "Me too! Nostromo hug!" (Which is less of an actual hug and more discretely patting the other party down for concealed weapons). World Eaters after Angron were howling madmen who charged to victory over mountains of their own dead. Just like the War Hounds! "A Legion once as concerned with logistics as any other?" Shush, Aaron. No one cares what you write. Apparently the only ones to change were the Word Bearers. They were militant secular humanists who became religious zealots because "THE XVII CARE NOT WHAT THEY BELIEVE, ONLY THAT THEY DO." Yay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 So you're outright rejecting the idea that the Emperor knew what his sons would turn out like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 So you're outright rejecting the idea that the Emperor knew what his sons would turn out like? The idea that the Emperor knew what Curze and Angron would become, and not only created Legions for them but created them in their sire's insanely murderous image? Well, I'm a Traitor, the idea that the Emperor was demonstrably too stupid to live is fine by me. I'm surprised you Loyalists are all so accepting of it, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 So you're outright rejecting the idea that the Emperor knew what his sons would turn out like? I do. How nice of the Chaos powers to drop off the ruthless enforcer Primarch in a crime infested world. Or the canine Primarch on a wolfie viking world. Or the logistics Primarch on a political and education minded world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 So you're outright rejecting the idea that the Emperor knew what his sons would turn out like? The idea that the Emperor knew what Curze and Angron would become, and not only created Legions for them but created them in their sire's insanely murderous image? Well, I'm a Traitor, the idea that the Emperor was demonstrably too stupid to live is fine by me. I'm surprised you Loyalists are all so accepting of it, though. The Emperor knew Curze would become a precog, justiciar. Not that Nostramo would turn him into Crispin Glover in the process. The Emperor knew Angron would be a great warrior-general, he didn't suspect that he would have his brain mutilated by slave catchers. Also, sadly for A D B, Perturabo didn't rule his home world either so Angron isn't alone in that camp. Also, I'd imagine Angron would be furious if he knew that the Emperor let Corax finish his slave revolt before taking him with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 To be fair, a few of the Primarch's 'birthworlds' ended up helping their fall into Chaos, so yes, it might have been nice of the Chaos Gods to drop them there Edit: Massacre states multiple times that whatever went through the Emperor's head by creating the Night Lords and (especially) never truly putting a stop to their practices is undiscernible. This is part of the mystery of the setting, but I can see Alan Bligh looking at the screen and thinking 'How in Hell am I to justify the Emperor having these nutjobs around?' True, he wouldn't be the first "Savior" to employ monsters, especially if since he was thoroughly convinced of the urgency of his mission, but Curze's lot didn't just strain the rope, they bit it and replaced it with human entrails... So I guess that it might seem like too much coincidence at times, but most Legions feel a blood link to their Primarch, so it makes sense that they share traits which affect their war style. The similarity in customs, like if the first Terran Wolves were already viking-like...well, it requires a bit more suspension of disbelief, but wasn't the Wolves' geneseed more resistant to cold? That narrows ideal aspirants, even more than in the Night Lords' case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/#findComment-3638902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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