AL Fluff from book 3

[Kol Saresk]

I wasn't disagreeing.......

 

EDIT: Well, in a way I was. What I was saying is that I believe the genetics created a psychic link between the Astartes and the Primarch and then the Primarch's personality influenced the personality of those with his gene-seed, through the link, regardless of where the personality originated from. And then the Emperor, using observations of how they changed, developed a psychological profile to make the transition easier, similar to how the genetic requirements are for those who already have a strong genetic similarity with the gene-seed itself in order to reduce the failure rate.

[Trevak Dal]

 

The Emperor knew Curze would become a precog, justiciar. Not that Nostramo would turn him into Crispin Glover in the process. The Emperor knew Angron would be a great warrior-general, he didn't suspect that he would have his brain mutilated by slave catchers.

So why did the Emperor give his precognitive justicar an army that was "born to the darkness! Shaped and molded by it! That never beheld the light until they were men grown, and then it burned like fire!"

 

Or his warrior-general a horde of monsters whose grasp of tactics covers two points only:

 

1. "Blood for the Blood Emperor! CHAAAAARRRRGE!"

 

2. "[Redacted] ATTRITION RATES!"

 

World Eaters are Orks in power armor.  Plainly.  Humorously the most multicultural legion other than Ultras.

[Scribe]

The only reason I honestly see to complain about it is "It doesn't match my vision." But so far I haven't seen any suggestions on how to make them different.

 

The Terran Night Lords? Any number of ways. Not sourcing them from the same environment as Curze would have been a pretty obvious start, but we have been down this path already :p

[Hyaenidae]

World Eaters are Orks in power armor. Plainly. Humorously the most multicultural legion other than Ultras.

Less humourous, the one thing all cultures have in common is a history of violence. Makes sense to me.

The only reason I honestly see to complain about it is "It doesn't match my vision." But so far I haven't seen any suggestions on how to make them different.

The Terran Night Lords? Any number of ways. Not sourcing them from the same environment as Curze would have been a pretty obvious start, but we have been down this path already

Unless that was the plan.

Again, everyone points fingers at the Emperor, expecting him to be perfect. Humanity is not perfect, so it goes to reason that the personification of humanity is not perfect. Emps is just as much a madman as Curze, except he's intelligent that he has others bathe him in innocent blood, and is composed enough not to file his teeth to points and hang dead bodies around the throneroom.

[Marshal Rohr]

Your traitor is showing, heathens :P

[Hyaenidae]

Your traitor is showing, heathens

Where?!? :P

On topic, anyone see that AL sniper? That dude rocks socks. Move over Vindicare, there's a new long-range surgeon in town...

[Felix Antipodes]

I don't see much mention of Omegron in the quoted excerpts so far. Do they give any further background on him as opposed to Alpharius?

[Son of Carnelian]

The Last says that when the Primarchs were scattered Alpharius was instead left behind gravely wounded and nursed to health and maturity by the Emperor personally. He was kept secret to protect him from the "Dark fates" and became the Emperors secret hand and greatest shield until it was time to lead his Legion in the open.

I imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle

That's the biggest potential fluff shake-up for the AL since Legion itself. And I love the possibility.

[Clewz]

If this book is written in the same way as the other 2 (ie., by one of Malcadors staff)  then I wouldn't of thought there would be any mention of Omegon

[Son of Carnelian]

I don't see much mention of Omegron in the quoted excerpts so far. Do they give any further background on him as opposed to Alpharius?

 

It seems implied that the new sniper guy might be Omegron. 

 

Typical Alpha Legion.

[Kol Saresk]

The Last says that when the Primarchs were scattered Alpharius was instead left behind gravely wounded and nursed to health and maturity by the Emperor personally. He was kept secret to protect him from the "Dark fates" and became the Emperors secret hand and greatest shield until it was time to lead his Legion in the open.

I imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle

That's the biggest potential fluff shake-up for the AL since Legion itself. And I love the possibility.

Could it be that one twin was separated and that the other was left behind?

[Nakuth]

The Last says that when the Primarchs were scattered Alpharius was instead left behind gravely wounded and nursed to health and maturity by the Emperor personally. He was kept secret to protect him from the "Dark fates" and became the Emperors secret hand and greatest shield until it was time to lead his Legion in the open.

I imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle

That's the biggest potential fluff shake-up for the AL since Legion itself. And I love the possibility.

Could it be that one twin was separated and that the other was left behind?

That makes so much sense it has to be true false.

[Conn Eremon]

The Last says that when the Primarchs were scattered Alpharius was instead left behind gravely wounded and nursed to health and maturity by the Emperor personally. He was kept secret to protect him from the "Dark fates" and became the Emperors secret hand and greatest shield until it was time to lead his Legion in the open.

I imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle

That's the biggest potential fluff shake-up for the AL since Legion itself. And I love the possibility.

Could it be that one twin was separated and that the other was left behind?

Maybe the vision shown of their dispersal was a lie, and the truth is that the Emperor did try to protect his sons and was simply unsuccessful. Maybe Omegon is the figurative torn cloth left in the Emperor's hands when the last Primarch tore free.

[Brother Tancred]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Last says that when the Primarchs were scattered Alpharius was instead left behind gravely wounded and nursed to health and maturity by the Emperor personally. He was kept secret to protect him from the "Dark fates" and became the Emperors secret hand and greatest shield until it was time to lead his Legion in the open.

I imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle :P

 

That's the biggest potential fluff shake-up for the AL since Legion itself. And I love the possibility.

Could it be that one twin was separated and that the other was left behind?

 

That makes so much sense it has to be true false.

Might explain why Alpharius never reveals his home world to Horus as he was on Terra as well as why he didn't spend time with the Emperor after "being found" as he was with him from the start!

[Vile Siren]

Maybe when all the primarchs were scattered Alpahrius was left behind with the Emps(Legion starts sneaky), Omegon then starts on some planet either with xenos or human and flies off to go find Horus's fleet then he goes and the twins meet. Highly unlikely but it could be a way for all the origin stories to be right maybe. I don't know I am just rambling ideas ha

[Marshal Rohr]

I wanna know how they decide who gets to be Alpharius and who gets to be Omegon that day. Do they toss a coin. Can they even remember. Is there a schedule? Everyone three days they switch?

[Adra'Melek]

Oo Oo. I like that. Omegron stayed with the Emperor, in charge of the Legion. Met up with Horus early as Horus was found early...maybe.

 

As for the other stuff, I prefer the idea that the Primarchs being scattered twisted the Emperor's plans. I have no problem with the War hounds being assault specialists but I find it disappointing that they're basically world eaters lite, charge in recklessly, ignoring casualties, etc. I'd prefer a history of 'honourable' close assault units that were twisted by the nails, not amplified by them. Although it clears up the argument over the Emperor being stupid enough to give Angron, yes, he really was that stupid.

 

I'd prefer it if Night Lords were more like a police SWAT teams, maybe using jump packs a lot. Go in to clear out a problem leadership type thing, not guys who were brought up in night time prison camps and lived by scaring the :cuss out of others.

 

Funnily enough I have no issue with the Alpha Legion stuff. Mainly because of the new story line from Legion.

 

But, yes this is just my vision of it and I have no problem with this vision being wrong. But I do think the HH writers are all traitor lovers and their plan is to make the Emperor into just the strongest of the power-hungry nut-job techno barbarian warlords on terra. Rather than the new man, saviour of man-kind, I had to step in, kind of guy. Again, just my view on things :)

 

And yes, the sniper guy looks freakin awesome.

[GhostMalone]

But the warhounds were honour bound and shared brotherhood, they're not WE lite they were like the BA. The vanguard forces that were best in CC

[Tenebris]

Still, I cant wait for Alpha Legion Fluff. Even the mention that they are perhaps the third legion in size can be pretty daunting for many fluff points. It means that the Alphas even with the whole Heresy, the countless battles and all, have a chance to exit the Siege of Terra and the Scouring pretty unschated. Now if we think that they were only marginal players in the Slave Wars that followed, and stood clear of the Eye as long as it was practicable, we speak of a traitor legion that can very well be on par with the Word Bearers and the Black Legion when comes to martial might, should the XX ever decide to enter a battle as a single army, which will never happen ofc. 

 

Not only that but we speak of countless hidden facilities that manufacture astartes gear, vast recruiting centers which in some small part could be still operating in M41. Now that would be a revelation, for not only the Alpha Legion would have a steady access to recruits, war materiel and geneseed, but it could very well operate at peak efficiency whenever it is needed to get their hands dirty. And this factors alone are very intimidating when we speak of a traitor legion or chaos space marines in general.

 

A fleet much bigger than it is suspected, a steady influx of recruits to address the attrition rates, vast stockpiles of weapons, armor and geneseed, as well as a host of safe havens, fleet harbours, bases and stations spread across the galaxy... and the point is that all sounds exactly as Alpha Legion, it is their trade after all, to be always two steps ahead of everyone and everything. And when you combine all this with a flair for cover operations, low attrition rates in general, brain over brawn approach one could easily speculate that the Alpha Legion has an incredible staying power, the perfect player for the long game. 

[recon0321]

Alpha legion sniper?

[Kol Saresk]

 

I'd prefer it if Night Lords were more like a police SWAT teams, maybe using jump packs a lot. Go in to clear out a problem leadership type thing, not guys who were brought up in night time prison camps and lived by scaring the :cuss out of others.

 

 

You do realize that an Imperium-based SWAT force would basically be the Gestapo on steroids right? And that is exactly how the Night Lords wound up?

 

Also, why is it everyone thinks the Night Lords have a jump pack fetish? It's not like they're 40K Raven Guard. :P

[Tenebris]

Night Lords = psychological warfare specialists... I see nowhere a jump pack preference. We speak of guys who use any tool available to them in order to instill fear, doubt and dread in their enemies. When Big E sent the Night Lords after you he wanted to send a message. DO NOT MESS WITH THE IMPERIUM FOR WE CAN BE SPOOKY! In short, bar the old rules and some mention of Raptors in fluff I don't see why the Night Lords should be the jump pack guys, this is a prerogative of the Blood Angels alone who still long for wings like the ones of their primarch. On the other hand the Raven Guard is a pragmatic army, if jumping around on wings of fire allows you to stab your enemy in the back when he least expects it, so be it we will have jump packs.

[Daemon2027]

Still, I cant wait for Alpha Legion Fluff. Even the mention that they are perhaps the third legion in size can be pretty daunting for many fluff points. It means that the Alphas even with the whole Heresy, the countless battles and all, have a chance to exit the Siege of Terra and the Scouring pretty unschated. Now if we think that they were only marginal players in the Slave Wars that followed, and stood clear of the Eye as long as it was practicable, we speak of a traitor legion that can very well be on par with the Word Bearers and the Black Legion when comes to martial might, should the XX ever decide to enter a battle as a single army, which will never happen ofc. 

 

Not only that but we speak of countless hidden facilities that manufacture astartes gear, vast recruiting centers which in some small part could be still operating in M41. Now that would be a revelation, for not only the Alpha Legion would have a steady access to recruits, war materiel and geneseed, but it could very well operate at peak efficiency whenever it is needed to get their hands dirty. And this factors alone are very intimidating when we speak of a traitor legion or chaos space marines in general.

 

A fleet much bigger than it is suspected, a steady influx of recruits to address the attrition rates, vast stockpiles of weapons, armor and geneseed, as well as a host of safe havens, fleet harbours, bases and stations spread across the galaxy... and the point is that all sounds exactly as Alpha Legion, it is their trade after all, to be always two steps ahead of everyone and everything. And when you combine all this with a flair for cover operations, low attrition rates in general, brain over brawn approach one could easily speculate that the Alpha Legion has an incredible staying power, the perfect player for the long game. 

What's interesting about this, is that the AL have never been mentioned as taking part in the Siege of Terra, but it has neither been said they were not so there role in the final battle is open for Black Library to do what they want. I'm sure they will play a part on Terra.

 

I think we will see Omegon in a later FW book. I kind of like the idea he was left on Terra, kept a secret by the Emps and Malcador, who would have known his twin was out there somewhere. It would also explain why Alpharius is the dominant of the twins, as if Horus brings him to Terra,nthe Emps could hardly turn around and go, 'here is his twin brother, he had called down between the cushions of the golden throne.'

This would go nicely with the idea that Omegon has something to do with the Grey Knights, especially if he has had time with Malcador. But I think think this is all a but to neat so is probably all wrong.

[Tenebris]

It can be a possibility, though I think that the twins were lost together which could also explain their schemes. It would be hard to trust your brother when you grew a galaxy apart and you know that your twin is a treacherous and scheming bastard like you are. I dont think that the Omegon was on Terra but I can be wrong, there is still much fluff to write and BL will milk the HH setting dry, so we can expect many retcons.

 

As for the Alpha Legion if even half of the seen is true, if Scars is right and if the fluff will reflect it we speak of the most unpredictable legion ever made. No wonder that the Inquisition declared them destroyed three times already, what matters when you have countless facilities, twin ships, hosts of recruits and spies everywhere to lure your enemies into falsehood. The Alpha Legion is the greatest opponent of the Inquisition, the Ordo seeks truth, the Alpha Legion hides it or manipulates it so that their lie is your truth. As it goes if the fluff so far seen by hints is true than all from the sudden a great deal of things are clear. 

 

In short I hope we will get a solid answer why the Alpha Legion is so well supplied and supported, why it has so many ships, how can it be fighting on so many fronts at the same time, why even in M41 they seem to operate with peak efficiency despite 10000 years that the Imperium spent hunting the Snakes down. In short all I see is that the Alpha Legion has mastered the art of information, when you know exactly against what you are you can plan according to it, plan in such a way that the result is assured and success guaranteed. 

 

And I have no shade of a doubt that on Terra Headhunter squads were operating, as for that on every major front of the Heresy and beyond. As with all snakes you know that they are slithering around and you find that out only when their poison is already in your bloodstream. The Alpha Legion are master information brokers and even if they do not participate actively in a conflict they are out there gathering informations, studying, observing, waiting...

 

And at long last HUBRIS... the defining trait and the failing of the Alpha Legion is made manifest... now that is what we were waiting for a long time, and FW provides even a rule for that as part of the legion traits. 

[Noctus Cornix]

Will the FW book touch mindframes? I feel they take a more detached, report-like view on the matters of the Legion, hinting at private rumours but rarely going past info that could be taken from reading multiple reports and talking to some people.

 

I'm making assumptions, of course, but the five options for Alpharius' origins do give credence to them. Black Library shows us what truly happened, the Heresy books how a future historian might see it.

 

As far as I'm aware, Betrayal was written in terms of an Imperial Historian who is detailing the accounts after the Heresy itself. Hence the several points of confusion, lack of information, and conjecture.