Tenebris Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Yes, and I like this way of describing events of the HH but I wonder if we would see some hints on the true goals of the Alpha Legion, perhaps presented to us as pivotal events during the course of a battle. On a side note, anyone wants to speculate from where the first Alpha Legion marines were recruited? Are there any Terran factions that actually possessed some traits beneficial to the Alpha Legion? Also since Alpha Legion set trials for squad and not single aspirants this implies vast recruiting facilities, most of which were mostly employed to fuel the Luna Wolves legion, with only determinate aspirants sent to the other legions when the numbers of the XVIth were topped (Scars). But would not this conflict with the attitude of the AL in recruiting groups...Questions, questions... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3639773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Really, the AL recruited in groups? That's interesting, I thought they taught self-reliance more than any other skill, I would they their main concern would be for their Legionnaires to think for themselves under pressure. Of course they'd never dismiss the collective, but that they recruited in groups is mighty interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3639775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Well trials to join the XX legion have been set for squads rather than for individuals. A squad excelled where the individual failed and this was the core principle of the Alpha Legion since time immemorial. In many articles and fluff it has been said so, though I expect retcons but this was always paraded as a singularity of the Alpha Legion. This implies that we speak of a team building culture were while you are an individual you shed this individuality for the benefit of the group, it lends well to the hydra motif and to the doctrine of the XX legion. Also this implies that you have to recruit higher than average numbers of recruits for it seems that you either succeed as a team or fail as a team so this is indeed a harsh regimen of selection, it might even appear harsher than in other legions which simply put you through gruesome tests which you either failed or succeeded, but here a group was harmed in the failure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3639779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 You're right, it makes a lot of sense if we think about the Hydra. Very interesting, I never knew the XXth was all for the group. It's almost a coincidence, it seems like the very system Perturabo should've followed for his Legion (which was meant and known to function as one), but, alas, where Alpharius was thoroughly systematic, Perturabo, while usually so, often fell to bouts of rage and inferiority-complex. Probably why the Iron Warriors were known to enter rage-mode as soon as it was safe to do so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3639783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkyn Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 So wait, Perturabo is Alpha Legion's new Primarch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Wow. Alpha Legion is so sneaky that they hide their fluff thread behind a discussion bout Perturabo ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteOwl Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 One thread can only go so off topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Hawk Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 One thread can only go so off topic. I agree. The debate about Perturabo and his seriously questionable treatment of his legion is very interesting, but it has next to nothing to do with the background for the Alpha Legion provided in Extermination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Lucian Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Well, it could be worse. We could be discussing cats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Is Alpharius cat ownership mentioned in Extermination. If not what is mentioned about him. (My attempt to steer back on topic). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 All posts about Perturabo and the Iron Warriors have been moved here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288942-iron-warrior-info-from-book-3/ Back on topic, being the Alpha Legion and all six of their Primarchs.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 So if the alphas used other legions legions colors as disguise's during combat operations when did they wear their own colors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 When they wanted to be noticed in the field. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 So it seems like the hydra would be silver or grey considering their armor is already blue/green Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_Three_Extermination.html At the bottom is a picture of some Alpha Legion Markings. If you notice, they show a purple Cataphractii shoulder pad with the silver hydra. So my guess would be, you cannot go wrong with silver iconography. Regardless of the color. EDIT Fixed link and added picture for reference. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/FW/Events/openday2014/hh3-spreads/HH3-spreads-45.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Is there any info on the effrit stealth squad, or any mention of alternate colour scheme for Alpha Legion recon squads, e.g. Using black armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Though not directly connected to the AL, a pic of a grey Raven Guard is noted in the book. In the armoury note on the side, it says that his armour is actually coated in chemoline (or however you spell that), and when the camo is not active, it takes on a matte grey shade. Could make for some interesting AL paint schemes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Recon squads used different color armor? That raven guard chameleon armor sounds cool... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 That's interesting. And here I am sculpting cloaks on all my camoline wearing operatives, when I don't need to. Who am I kidding, I like cloaks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Recon squads used different color armor? That raven guard chameleon armor sounds cool... I thought the effrit stealth teams wore black armour so I was wondering if this stretched to other recon teams. But as there is no Omegon, I'm guessing there are no effrit stealth teams. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Recon squads used different color armor? That raven guard chameleon armor sounds cool... I thought the effrit stealth teams wore black armour so I was wondering if this stretched to other recon teams. But as there is no Omegon, I'm guessing there are no effrit stealth teams. You have to remember that the book is written from a "general knowledge" perspective. Neither Omegon nor Effrit stealth squads were probably known much outside the legion... 1) Take a headhunter kill team 2) Paint their armours in a darkened colour scheme 3) Play with a smirk because you have an awesome squad on the table and your opponent won't know what hit him! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Hmm the heraldry above is quite interesting. It is ornate but usually only a small icon or sigil somewhere on the armor and the variants of the terminator shoulder pads are quite nice, great even for 40k painting purposes. Now what troubles me a bit is the loincloths, very ornate, full of icons... I wonder why is this so? Lodge membership, unit affiliation, commendations... all in all it seems very ornate for an Alpha Legion marine. Hmm it seems that the new nickname for the Alpha Legion will be Snakes... the ophidian motif is very common as it seems. Now all we need is some nice and shiny guides to paint HH era Alpha Legion. I can't wait for the book to be released. FW did an amazing job so far but I want more, more Alpha Legion fluff, but I really hope that they will not be overly detached in lieu of no one knowing the legion... in order to produce only a bland description. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I would imagine because there are times when the Alpha Legion takes the field and when they do, they want to be noticed. That way when they want to not be noticed, they aren't. Sort of like how Lady Gaga and Marilyn Manson could go through a crowd unnoticed if they didn't wear any of their usual get ups. If you set off a fire work in the same direction as an exploding building, would you notice the firework? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlight Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 has anyone saved any of the leaked alpha legion artwork? i've seen few pieces but would like to see what has been collected so far. also is there any background info on the alpha special characters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Has any more info on the Headhunter Squads surfaced? Are they officer-hunters, as I assume, or general assassins with no predilection for rank? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288871-al-fluff-from-book-3/page/5/#findComment-3640890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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