AL Fluff from book 3

[Karthak]

The only "real" information we have on thew subject of Alpharius Omegon's home is from The Serpent Beneath (p. 433).

 

He had tasted remembrance and come to know the secrets of his gene-sire: early days spent by the twins on their distant homeworld, scheming their way to supremacy; the paradoxical horror of the alien Acuity; the gradual realisation of what would be required of each of them in the years still to come...

So basically this piledrives most of the theories from Extermination into the concrete?

[Conn Eremon]

Sounds like it's a Marine talking (refers to his gene-sire, so not a Primarch), in which case it could easily just be more misdirection. We have no way of knowing if the Twins gave the true account to their gene-sons.

[Excessus]

Sounds like it's a Marine talking (refers to his gene-sire, so not a Primarch), in which case it could easily just be more misdirection. We have no way of knowing if the Twins gave the true account to their gene-sons.

This text is from a passage where Sheed Ranko drinks wine with a mixture of Primarch blood. His gene-sire is A&O and the memories are theirs. Where this !distant homeworld" is, nobody knows though...

[Plague Angel]

 

The only "real" information we have on thew subject of Alpharius Omegon's home is from The Serpent Beneath (p. 433).

 

He had tasted remembrance and come to know the secrets of his gene-sire: early days spent by the twins on their distant homeworld, scheming their way to supremacy; the paradoxical horror of the alien Acuity; the gradual realisation of what would be required of each of them in the years still to come...

So basically this piledrives most of the theories from Extermination into the concrete?

But they explicitly said they were all lies.

[Wade Garrett]

Because Heaven knows, if the Alpha Legion tells you they're lying, you can trust that they aren't telling the truth....

[Phoros]

To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the Serpent Beneath account isn't true either - I could definitely see Alpharius and Omegon memorising lies about their homeworld to the extent that they knew them better than their actual lives, just in case a Space Marine managed to use their omophagea on A or O's genetic material...

[Kol Saresk]

Because Heaven knows, if the Alpha Legion tells you they're lying, you can trust that they aren't telling the truth....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJGwMCLeEpM

[Plague Angel]

Because Heaven knows, if the Alpha Legion tells you they're lying, you can trust that they aren't telling the truth....

 

Good point.

 

But still, when presented with 6 contradictory lies, why be surprised when a seventh comes up that contradicts them all, too?

[Conn Eremon]

To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the Serpent Beneath account isn't true either - I could definitely see Alpharius and Omegon memorising lies about their homeworld to the extent that they knew them better than their actual lives, just in case a Space Marine managed to use their omophagea on A or O's genetic material...

Considering how easy it is for us modern humans to falsify and fabricate memories, intentionally or not, I don't see why the Twins, Primarch of a Legion that would take pride in that, wouldn't be able to do it.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the Serpent Beneath account isn't true either - I could definitely see Alpharius and Omegon memorising lies about their homeworld to the extent that they knew them better than their actual lives, just in case a Space Marine managed to use their omophagea on A or O's genetic material...

Considering how easy it is for us modern humans to falsify and fabricate memories, intentionally or not, I don't see why the Twins, Primarch of a Legion that would take pride in that, wouldn't be able to do it.

 

 

There's also the possibility that Sheed Ranko misinterpreted the memory. Or jumbled several memories together and saw them as one.

[Daemon2027]

Distant home world doesn't tell us much either. Could easily be Terra.

[Perrin]

I think some posters are grasping a little to prove a relatively minor detail untrue.

All it gives us is that they grew up on a planet and schemed their way to power. As opposed to what, somehow crashed onto a ship and lived as servants until the Emperor found them?

It's hardly ground breaking stuff

EDIT: Tone seemed rude.

[Kol Saresk]

I think some posters are grasping a little to prove a relatively minor detail untrue.

All it gives us is that they grew up on a planet and schemed their way to power. As opposed to what, somehow crashed onto a ship and lived as servants until the Emperor found them?

It's hardly ground breaking stuff

EDIT: Tone seemed rude.

Eh, we can all be accused of grabbing one simple fact and doing everything we to prove it true or not true.

[Wade Garrett]

As opposed to what, they somehow crashed onto a ship and lived as servants until the the Emperor found them?

 

NEW HEAD CANON ESTABLISHED!

[Blackmashoo]

Guys time for me to put some insight and facts to the AL primarchs=The First Heretic Book (page 504.2 on my ebook, using calibre) Argel Tal was telling Lorgar about the things he saw aka the primarch gene lab etc and ALSO when the warp took all the Primarch pods and scattered them around the gallaxy. Argel Tal saw all of the warp scattered Primarch pods landing around the galaxy and told them to Lorgar.This one resembled closest to the Alpha Legion... (aka the Aplaharius and Omegon came to the same/planet (OR SPACESHIP) together, unless there are three of them or smth....):

 

–STUMBLED, STAGGERING TO a halt.

The pod before him was a clone to his father’s, but growing faint and indistinct before his eyes. The ground was dark, the night sky was starless, and for a moment Argel Tal wasn’t sure whether he stood on the surface of a world or the deck of a powered-down ship.

As his senses faded, he caught a momentary glimpse through the viewplate on the pod’s bulky front. Whatever moved within the incubator had too many limbs to be a lone human child.

Argel Tal stepped closer, only to have his attention stolen by a blur of scarlet in the glass reflection. It was his helm, his chestplate, but warped by ivory protrusions – a twisted, gothic bio-architecture formed from ceramite and bone. The face that looked back was a tusked rendition of his war helm, painted crimson and black but for the golden star around his right eye lens.

He—

 

Also after reading Legion, (just finished Deliverance Lost 2 days ago) Alpha Legion took the place in my top 3 legions. Deliverance Lost.... aahhh them sneaky bastards DAMN! AGAPITO!!!! I TOUGHT U WAS ONE OF US!!!

[Conn Eremon]

@Blackmashoo: I would be hesitant, very hesitant, to say that Chaos-derived visions given with the intent of corrupting a militant force to rebel against their ruler-father can provide anything that could remotely be considered insightful or factual.

[Wade Garrett]

Well, whatever was happening with Ingethel and Argel Tal's squad, it was real enough to destroy his power swords, and the visions of Angron and Curze match "Prince of Crows" and "Betrayer".

 

Now, the vision of Fulgrim is completely different from the scene in "Angel Exterminatus", so there you go, I suppose.

[Conn Eremon]

It's Chaos. 'Potentially not true,' or even 'likely not true,' doesn't necessarily mean 'not real.'

[Conn Eremon]

Slight revivification, for I have found Omegon and the Effrit. They were hiding in plain sight.

 

The Headhunters, an Alpha Legion special unit, are described in the main Alpha Legion article. A specific grouping of them is noted for being an almost elite unit of Headhunters, the Effrit. The Effrit are Headhunters.

 

The Alpha Legion has a new symbol to add to their growing pile of them, that they call the aleph-null, which is an alpha and an omega chained together. One of Alpharius' titles is the Aleph-Null. The Alpha and Omega, chained together. Alpharius and Omegon, inseparable faces of a single coin, and so rules for one applies to the other.

 

I know, most of this was painfully obvious from the start, I just wanted to point out some hints they gave to show it

[Kais Klip]

Nice spot, but unless I comprehended wrong it's not so much a mention of Omegon as it is of Effrit, right?

[DuskRaider]

I interpreted Exodus to be Omegon, actually. Albeit with slightly toned down rules as not to have access to two actual Primarchs in one force.

[Conn Eremon]

The Headhunters is an overt reference, while the Aleph-Null one is more subtle. But I think its inclusion was meant so that people can make that connection, that the unit is named Alpharius but stands for both Alpharius and Omegon.

 

While Exodus stands to provide people with the opportunity of having both at once, since you would never actually have two true Primarchs at the same time. Just one, and the other playing a different role.

[Kais Klip]

Would have been neater to give Alpharius a choice between a close combat weapon and a ranged one to convey either or. Then provide one model with ceremonial armour, and one all blacked out; “Crusade Alpharius” and “Heresy Alpharius”

I think Bligh wrote in the Exodus as a red herring to Omegon actually; sure it’s a great stand in, but the legion has been at it long enough to produce legitimate legionnaires like Exodus.

Edit: apart from Exodus having, um… It Will Not Die… okay, fine. Quite clearly its a shooty robot stolen from Ferrus. That’s all you’ll get from me. That, and my name is Hurtado Bronzi, Hetman of Joker Company of the 670th Exped-