Brother Heinrich Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Look at all of you trying to nail down hard facts and absolute statements about the Alpha Legion, some of you should know better Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3639347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I am Alpharius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3639355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 It could be something as simple as it representing the "sum" of Alpha and Omega. There are 2 Primarchs after all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3639359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I think the sigma, which often means "sum" in math, represents the whole Legion. Sort of like SPQR being Senatus Populusque Romanus. Or as a "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts". It is my impression that the Alpharius and Omegon are pretty proud of their gene-sons, so it makes sense to me that they would put themselves and their legion on the same level in their iconography (on the same level on the iconography they show everyone else). The Sigma being the sum of the parts was my thought on looking at the picture but a few of you beat me to it. Maybe the third one landed on a certain feudal world that had humans living (though constantly fighting) alongside Eldar, Squats, even Orks, Hrud and Tarellians? In the days before the world wide web I thought that was my pet theory, then I discovered there were lots of other deluded fools like me. The report of what happened on Eskrador was published by an Inquisitor who was accused of being a traitor, then shortly disappeared, and is now suspected to be an Alpha Legion plant. Reports of my disappearance were greatly exagerrated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3639850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Yogi, whatever you do, do not look at the pictures of purple Alpha Legion armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3640060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Where did this picture come from actually ? It's true that the 2 hydra heads with 3 skulls is confusing. If there are any hidden meaning behind aestethics, my question is, why is there no hydra head over Alpharius ? I can see 2 possibilities. Either it is "modern" iconography and Alpharius is dead. Either there is no Alpharius, the real Primarch being Omegon, and Alpharius is just a role, a symbol. A bit like Batman : you can kill a man, but not kill an idea. Like someone else pointed out, the "sigma" really evoked the mathematical symbol for sum. Which can be interpreted as "all the Legion". The fact that there are 2 hydra heads on omega and sigma also suggest that these two symbols have a corporeal equivalent, while Alpharius has none. What if Alpharius was just a symbol/a role to federate the legionnaires behind and to represent the spirit of the legion. And what best to represent the tricks the legion is famous for than to invent a false identity for the Primarch ! After all, I don't recall (please correct me if my lore is incomplete) an instance where both are present in a room and both are clearly identified, masks off, as Primarch twins. Thus, explaining legionnaires posing as Alpharius And this may be a stretch, but Omega signifies the "end" or the last letter, fitting for the last legion. If someone mentions that Alpharius and Omegon are physically different than other Legionnaires, and thus stand out in terms of height and might, I say please. They managed to maskerade as Raven Guard to infiltrate their garrison in their own homeworld, by defacing dead crows and literally wearing their faces... They're pretty expert as physiological manipulation ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3640347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Not only that but the legion librarians (which btw. were never disbanded) shaped the minds of the operatives to better work, think and behave as Raven Guard, and it is implied that combining their efforts with the apothecaries they managed a better imprint of sensation and experience from eating the Raven Guard flesh. In short the camouflage was almost complete. This speaks of three things to me: - the AL has some of the most expert flesh surgeons and apothecaries in the legions, - the AL has a superb grasp of telepathy and biomancy, surely not on levels of the Thousand Sons but very impressive, very specialized, - all this was performed during combat operations on Istvaan with a relatively small time window to act, so imagine the degree of skill required... I have only a question, where did the Alpha Legion learn to perform such high feats of plastic surgery, psychic manipulation and astartes medicine. I think that there is only one answer, the Alpha Legion posted a number of times as astartes in the other legions. In fact it seems that by Istvaan the whole thing was conducted as a routine operation, under combat stress and duress, with high level of results and with relatively modest an effort... and one learns to do such things only when he has practiced a lot, but I mean really a lot. Not only that but somehow the XX legion apothecaries managed to splice the Raven Guard genecode which allowed them to taint it with the warp. That and it seems that the Raven Guard have been several times in the past part of this experiments in infiltration. You simply do not create a proxy Raven Guard, with all the somatic traits that come with that with your field kit and perhaps in an Apothecarion Rhino... it means that the Snakes know more things on the other legions than the legions themselves. Gene codes, mannerisms, tactics, dialects, group rituals... In short someone has been infiltrating the other legions for a long time, a century or so at least... perhaps even more, from the era of the Unification Wars when the first Alpha Legion marines were created... now I wonder why did it came to that... did the Emperor send AL spies and infiltrators in the other legions to have eyes and ears in all the far away expedition fleets that fought in the Great Crusade... and if so when did the Alpha Legion stop to report back to the Emperor and filed their reports to Alpharius and Horus... speculation and conjecture... but I think that there is a nugget of truth in the theory above... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3640432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Where did this picture come from actually ? It's true that the 2 hydra heads with 3 skulls is confusing. If there are any hidden meaning behind aestethics, my question is, why is there no hydra head over Alpharius ? I can see 2 possibilities. Either it is "modern" iconography and Alpharius is dead. Either there is no Alpharius, the real Primarch being Omegon, and Alpharius is just a role, a symbol. A bit like Batman : you can kill a man, but not kill an idea. Like someone else pointed out, the "sigma" really evoked the mathematical symbol for sum. Which can be interpreted as "all the Legion". The fact that there are 2 hydra heads on omega and sigma also suggest that these two symbols have a corporeal equivalent, while Alpharius has none. What if Alpharius was just a symbol/a role to federate the legionnaires behind and to represent the spirit of the legion. And what best to represent the tricks the legion is famous for than to invent a false identity for the Primarch ! After all, I don't recall (please correct me if my lore is incomplete) an instance where both are present in a room and both are clearly identified, masks off, as Primarch twins. Thus, explaining legionnaires posing as Alpharius And this may be a stretch, but Omega signifies the "end" or the last letter, fitting for the last legion. If someone mentions that Alpharius and Omegon are physically different than other Legionnaires, and thus stand out in terms of height and might, I say please. They managed to maskerade as Raven Guard to infiltrate their garrison in their own homeworld, by defacing dead crows and literally wearing their faces... They're pretty expert as physiological manipulation ! Actually that last bit is false. Omegon never infiltrated the Raven Guard, he infiltrated their homeworld. Alpharius was never there, those were just Legionnaires who were conditioned to call themselves Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3640490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Not only that but the legion librarians (which btw. were never disbanded) shaped the minds of the operatives to better work, think and behave as Raven Guard, and it is implied that combining their efforts with the apothecaries they managed a better imprint of sensation and experience from eating the Raven Guard flesh. In short the camouflage was almost complete. This speaks of three things to me: - the AL has some of the most expert flesh surgeons and apothecaries in the legions, - the AL has a superb grasp of telepathy and biomancy, surely not on levels of the Thousand Sons but very impressive, very specialized, - all this was performed during combat operations on Istvaan with a relatively small time window to act, so imagine the degree of skill required... I have only a question, where did the Alpha Legion learn to perform such high feats of plastic surgery, psychic manipulation and astartes medicine. I think that there is only one answer, the Alpha Legion posted a number of times as astartes in the other legions. In fact it seems that by Istvaan the whole thing was conducted as a routine operation, under combat stress and duress, with high level of results and with relatively modest an effort... and one learns to do such things only when he has practiced a lot, but I mean really a lot. Not only that but somehow the XX legion apothecaries managed to splice the Raven Guard genecode which allowed them to taint it with the warp. That and it seems that the Raven Guard have been several times in the past part of this experiments in infiltration. You simply do not create a proxy Raven Guard, with all the somatic traits that come with that with your field kit and perhaps in an Apothecarion Rhino... it means that the Snakes know more things on the other legions than the legions themselves. Gene codes, mannerisms, tactics, dialects, group rituals... In short someone has been infiltrating the other legions for a long time, a century or so at least... perhaps even more, from the era of the Unification Wars when the first Alpha Legion marines were created... now I wonder why did it came to that... did the Emperor send AL spies and infiltrators in the other legions to have eyes and ears in all the far away expedition fleets that fought in the Great Crusade... and if so when did the Alpha Legion stop to report back to the Emperor and filed their reports to Alpharius and Horus... speculation and conjecture... but I think that there is a nugget of truth in the theory above... the answer is simple. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Jr1m4enGiaU/URvEiyziX3I/AAAAAAAARl0/licjdkpQKhs/s1600/Joan+Rivers+4.jpg Joan Rivers is the real Primarch of the AL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3640505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Dang it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288888-alpha-legions-three-skulls/page/2/#findComment-3640531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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