Iron Warrior info from book 3?

[Marshal Rohr]

No way. The most powerful scene in any novel I've read so far is when asked what Talos wanted to be he responds that he wanted to be a hero, and slides on his helmet with the terror marking on the faceplate.

 

I have yet to find an author in this day and age whose work has made me set the book down and have to go have a smoke like that simple passage did.

 

Except Samuel Huntington. But that was out of nihilistic rage and not an emotional come to Jesus moment.

[SFH]

One thing we need to remember about Perturabo is that at the time of Phall, he is struggling with massive guilt and anger over the genocide of Olympia. In Angel Exterminatus Forrix notes that his moods are increasingly unbalanced after Isstvan V. Also, he had been looking forward to personally killing Sigismund (which, admittedly, feels like the rivalry here) and having been denied that, struggling with his increased unbalanced emotions, he just snaps. In real life people holding in anger snap and do things they regret over minor things. It's easy to imagine someone with the anger of Perturabo acting like that.

[Scribe]

No way. The most powerful scene in any novel I've read so far is when asked what Talos wanted to be he responds that he wanted to be a hero, and slides on his helmet with the terror marking on the faceplate.

 

I have yet to find an author in this day and age whose work has made me set the book down and have to go have a smoke like that simple passage did.

 

Except Samuel Huntington. But that was out of nihilistic rage and not an emotional come to Jesus moment.

 

I just finished a road trip with a friend, and we talked mostly about ADB's books and how immensely awesome some of it is....I care not if my fanboy-ism is known. 

[Ashur]

Did you noticed that that picture is mentionned in Angel Exterminatus? GM describe a painting picturing a wounded IW and glorious IF standarts on top of the forteress. Perturabo burns the painting because it is an insult to his legion's efforts.

[Kol Saresk]

Did you noticed that that picture is mentionned in Angel Exterminatus? GM describe a painting picturing a wounded IW and glorious IF standarts on top of the forteress. Perturabo burns the painting because it is an insult to his legion's efforts.

As far as I know, that is where the picture was introduced.

[Marshal Rohr]

The picture came before AE

[Kol Saresk]

Where?

[Kriegsmacht]

@1000Heathens: about your comment of your avatar having a permanent smile...THANK YOU! Took me days to figure out who he was reminding me of. With the missing eye and permanent smile he's Sweet William from the Sharpe series.

 

Sounds like the IVth legion is the most grim of them all with the decimation, the constant siege battles and possible attritions. Yet they persevere and keep going.

 

Damn I might have another army to work on...Goodbye wallet.

[Emperor's Furor]

Where?

Believe it was in the Index Astartes article, think you even see the picture in black and white.

[Marshal Rohr]

I'll try to find my copy today to double check Kol

[Kais Klip]

You sound surprised, like its something new for something written from an Imperial point of view to espouse the virtues of the Loyalists while magnifying the follies of the Traitors?

 

He does have a point, the narrative can still portray a technical antagonist victory that can be still lauded as a protagonist victory by the narrator. For one, the Lion’s bulging neck muscles overpowering Curze’s spindly traitorous claws. Instead we get both, and they’re not exactly phyrric victories either. 

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

 

Where?

Believe it was in the Index Astartes article, think you even see the picture in black and white.

 

Yes the art work of the Iron Warriors with the Apothecary from the Index Astarties series :)

 

IP

 

[Hyaenidae]

Bam.

[Nehekhare]

burn it! ;)

 

on another note: what I really like about the IW fluff (as opposed to several others I would think) is that it captures perturabos contempt for self-aggrandizement. human life, even that of an astartes is nothing more a ressource to be used - a means, not an end. while other legions clad their pathetic heroes in gold and carve their meaningless names into stone, the iron warriors grind their venerated bones to dust beneath their tracks. everthing has a weak spot to exploit, and perturabo can see it written all over their boastful smiles and delusional miens, craving for a glimmer of importance. In the reality of war, the individual is nothing, just fodder for the cannons. survival does not depend on skill, but only on pure chance. hope is vanity, victory is the result of a calculation of mass vs. rate of annihilation. that is what the IV had to be taught by decimation (and imho, so had some of the other legions).

 

that is grimdark. 

 

but no, the hero has to win. missed chance.

[Daylight]

Tangent here, but from what I've heard the IW recruited from the Auro plateau of Sek-Amrak. This might be a stretch but it sounds to me like they could be from the plateau regions of South America?

[Marshal Rohr]

Or the golden plateau. Or Sek in Iran.

[Nehekhare]

iran definately. "stor-bezashk" was the persian siege machinery and the otherwise greek background fits with post-alexandric near eastern culture.

[Marshal Rohr]

That's what I was thinking too. I can't imagine what horrible cataclysmic event kept the proto legions from recruiting in North and South America or Africa though. Everywhere mentioned so far has been the Pacific Ocean, Asia, or Europe.

[Conn Eremon]

I think the only mention of those two continents so far is Sud Merica, in the Custodian-centric short story Blood Games.

[Kais Klip]

That's what I was thinking too. I can't imagine what horrible cataclysmic event kept the proto legions from recruiting in North and South America or Africa though. Everywhere mentioned so far has been the Pacific Ocean, Asia, or Europe.

 

Do remember there is a high probably chance that two certain super-nation-states saturated each other with concentrated nuclear donations of democracy, although my memory tells me Khârn was from around Mt. Narodnaya, so maybe one of them got off better than the other. I also seem to remember some warlords giving the Emperor a tough time of unification, just south of Mt N. 

 

More likely though, do keep in mind that you have a hell of a lot more land once 60% of the atlantic ocean is gone, so unlike mountainous South America which would still be somewhat geographically distinguishable, the north would pretty much blend right in with the Atlantic and the pacific ocean bed.  

[Marshal Rohr]

But which legion remaining would potentially be drawn from there? The Blood Angels from the Levant is a distinct possibility and would be freaking awesome. The original Ultramarines will probably be European or maybe spread across all regions like the Imperial Fists, since book 3 definitely sets the Fists and the Ultramarines up to be two sides of the same coin. It would be cool if the Dark Angels were from the regions around the Amazon, since that's as close to Caliban (outside Australia) we can get on earth. Space Wolves will obviously be drawn from the Scandinavian countries, and the Thousand Sons will be from the broader Middle East (though Ahriman is Persian). The White Scars are already noted as having Asia being preferentially chosen. 

[Marshal Rohr]

 

That's what I was thinking too. I can't imagine what horrible cataclysmic event kept the proto legions from recruiting in North and South America or Africa though. Everywhere mentioned so far has been the Pacific Ocean, Asia, or Europe.

 

Do remember there is a high probably chance that two certain super-nation-states saturated each other with concentrated nuclear donations of democracy, although my memory tells me Khârn was from around Mt. Narodnaya, so maybe one of them got off better than the other. I also seem to remember some warlords giving the Emperor a tough time of unification, just south of Mt N. 

 

More likely though, do keep in mind that you have a hell of a lot more land once 60% of the atlantic ocean is gone, so unlike mountainous South America which would still be somewhat geographically distinguishable, the north would pretty much blend right in with the Atlantic and the pacific ocean bed.  

 

Well in M2C-verse, Terra is a mix of places that look like LA in Blade Runner, surrounded by expanses of Mad Max and Fallout, run by governments that look like someone threw the Galactic Empire, Roman Empire, Napoleonic Europe, Warring Kingdoms China, and the three meganations from 1984. 

 

It would just be nice to have some idea of where the heck these places mentioned are so we can come up with our own ideas of culture for them. 

 

Also it drives me nuts because urbanization is a niche of what I study, and the authors sometimes ignore migratory patterns and trade route urbanization. 

[Xin Ceithan]

That's what I was thinking too. I can't imagine what horrible cataclysmic event kept the proto legions from recruiting in North and South America or Africa though. Everywhere mentioned so far has been the Pacific Ocean, Asia, or Europe.

I believe "A Thousand Sons" mentions the North Afrik as an origin for a remembrancer at least. it's funny geography thousands of years ahead would be recognizable by someone from our times anyway. Still entertaining, though.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

That's what I was thinking too. I can't imagine what horrible cataclysmic event kept the proto legions from recruiting in North and South America or Africa though. Everywhere mentioned so far has been the Pacific Ocean, Asia, or Europe.

I believe "A Thousand Sons" mentions the North Afrik as an origin for a remembrancer at least. it's funny geography thousands of years ahead would be recognizable by someone from our times anyway. Still entertaining, though.

 

Thats a little like saying someone born 6000 years ago would be surprised that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers are still around. 

[Greyall]

Once we get to the Unification days, I'd be pretty surprised if they did.

 

Unless rivers of corpses/chemical waste count =)