Reasons why you should take AdMech for allies.

[Kol Saresk]

Well there's also the very nature of the Expedition Fleets themselves: exploring uncharted/enemy territory. They couldn't always just dock at a port. They'd have to have some way of harvesting and manufacturing any resources they came across in case the supply train was lacking.

 

And we all know the Mechanicum are very selfish about their technology, so they will have their own military detachments in each fleet to ensure their own interests.

[depthcharge12]

Has anyone taken a peek at the cybertheurgy table and figure out something useful? I'm still trying to read through it.

 

 

The first one I thought sounded cool was the Lachrimallus. I can imagine that no good Raven Gaurd player would use these guys as they are pretty much whip masters and slavers.

 

They get a 5+ FNP and can recycle a thrall unit on a 5+

 

 

Myrmidax sounds good if you don't want to get the abyent as it gives relentless too and hatred everything B) I'm still trying to find the rules for fusillade attack though...

 

 

 

Seems these guys can buff whatever list you are trying to run (i.e. Thrall horde, tank horde, heavy weapons, etc)

[Cactus]

I think fusillade attack is the special rule Myrmidon Secutors have that allows them to shoot two weapons.

[depthcharge12]

I think fusillade attack is the special rule Myrmidon Secutors have that allows them to shoot two weapons.

Ah thanks.

 

 

Anyone else notice that the plasma mortar for the Thanatar isn't listed under its war gear? Should we assume that it was a typo and is automatically part of it because the model displays it and it has such a high point cost?

[spu00sed]

There is only one reason to take ad mech allies.

 

Big stompy robots.

[Noserenda]

After drooling on the Thanatars cabinet at the open day im going to have to give my Warsmith a Cortex controller and rope on in...

That said ive built 3 Separate AM armies already, this will inevitably spiral into a whole army :D

[Ordo Machinum]

Well there's also the very nature of the Expedition Fleets themselves: exploring uncharted/enemy territory. They couldn't always just dock at a port. They'd have to have some way of harvesting and manufacturing any resources they came across in case the supply train was lacking.

 

And we all know the Mechanicum are very selfish about their technology, so they will have their own military detachments in each fleet to ensure their own interests.

 

In Shadows of Treachery, the Crimson Fist story has an IF thinking...

 

"There was supposed to be a second wave. A battalion of Imperial Fists, Dreadnoughts and Legio Cybernetica maniples. It should have lent strength to the final attack on Perturabo’s inner sanctum."

 

So, it's a small line of fluff, but fluff it is.

 

An Mechanicum list can be used in almost every action in the HH volumes, can't it? Either that or as Dark Mechanicum.

[KBA]

I was debating adding a few Krios to my allies, and probably still will, but the bigger picture for summer saving is now a Reaver Titan. Mmmmmmm.

[Scribe]

Reason 1. You already have a Legion force.

Reason 10. They are sweeeeeeet looking models.

Reason 11. Mobile, barrage, large blast, stompy robot monster.

Reason 100.

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EDIT: Broke the forum. :p

[hisdudeness]

Archangel/Sol_Saresk, that is a very weak fluff reason.  It is akin to saying that at some point over he 200+ years of the Crusade it was bound to have happened so it's all cool. While the rules/lists for 30k are very well balanced, the largest balancing factor for 30k is the fluff and the idea that players will refrain from min-maxing.  Play the narrative not the models.

 

Additionally, having AdMech in the fleet is much different from the AdMech taking the field.  By their nature, AdMech would be everywhere but wouldn't necessarily go to war with every Legion.  I imagine that the AdMech would feel it is a great honor to have their unit on the field with 'inferior' units and only do so for Legions they thought had the proper respect for the Omnissiah. 

 

My fear in this exercise is that we will see people running a Legion not really know for taking the field with AdMech, just so they can mass as much Lance and AP3 firepower as they can.  Don't get me wrong, I plan on adding some robots to my Iron Warriors.  I will also do so with a Iron Hands and Imperial Fists detachments once I get that far.  But you won't see me put AdMech down with T-Sons, Night Lords, or Alpha Legion.

 

 

I can see a mobile urban Hands or Warriors force taking allied battle-automata over siege tanks due to the compact nature of city fights.  It would be easier to get cover in a cover rich field and facing doesn't mater for MCs, so no worry about being flanked as much.

[Kol Saresk]

Archangel/Sol_Saresk, that is a very weak fluff reason.  It is akin to saying that at some point over he 200+ years of the Crusade it was bound to have happened so it's all cool. While the rules/lists for 30k are very well balanced, the largest balancing factor for 30k is the fluff and the idea that players will refrain from min-maxing.  Play the narrative not the models.

Umm, maybe I should point this out since I thought it was very clear by everything I ever posted: I don't care about min/maxing. I think the Castellax looks awesome. I want it. I don't care about the stats or its special special snowflakeness. Just because I haven't written up a superawesome fluffy background short story on how it would play heavy support for an air cav penal company that survives by taking in the dregs of a Legion of murderers and doing favors for the Mechanicum so it can stay supplies since Curze couldn't care less, doesn't mean I won't or can't. In reality, I really don't care about the rest of the Mechanicum list. Maybe that seems like cherry picking to you. But I don't care. So please do everyone a favor and do not assume that because someone suggests a very general basis that others can use to build a background off of that someone is just digging for excuses to min/max.

 

You may hate Night Lords/Alpha Legion/KSOns with AdMech allies. Well right now I have Prince of Crows showing the Night Lords with an entire Legio Titanicus fleet travelling alongside them at the Battle of Sheol. I have the entire Night Lords trilogy showing a tech-priest who had been living on the Covenenat of Blood since the Great Crusade era. I have the First Heretic talking about the Alpha Legion deploying warmachines en mass on Istvaan V. And I have "A Thousand Sons" showing the KSons using cybernetica and their own personal Titan.

 

Is a grand total of three novels and a novella enough justification for me to take Mechanicum with my Night Lords or is that too little?

[grand_master85]

Well, Word Bearers had some close Mech allies in The First Heretic, and they're a legion I wouldn't normally associate with Mechanicum. At the end of the day, there are so many expedition fleets, and so many armies that you could probably justify any army allying.

 

I'm an Iron Warriors player, and there are battles that took place where they were allied with the Imperial Fists, whom they detested.

 

I think it's unfair to say 'it doesn't sound right to me, so you're clearly making poor excuses for using awesome minis with awesome rules'. If the minis grab you, THAT should be the reason to do them. Night Lords and Iron Warriora didn't get on at all. But I'm going to do an allied contingent of NL for my IW just cos I love the Night Raptor minis :) I have to agree with Kol on this.

 

I was accused of using mech just cos a friend ha use them against me and they seems stupidly powerful, but I just happen to really like the minis an me they for well with my army, which is just a nice bonus.

[BassWave]

@hisdudeness- Seriously?