Alpha Legion Unique Rite of War

[DuskRaider]

Alpha Legion Mor Deythan with Infiltrate could be some fun times. I was thinking that or Iron Havocs.

[Balthamal]

Just to confirm, pride of the legion does apply to the lernaeans. Page15 of the legiones astartes army list states "this also includes any legion specific terminator squads which are also elites choices"

 

So that's the justaeran, phoenix guard, deathshroud, grave wardens, red butchers, gorgons, fire drakes, tyrants and lernaeans

[Kol Saresk]

We really need to add Atramentar to that list.

[Balthamal]

There's plans ;) Quite possibly along with the dark angels since its likely their narrative will be thramas. Given the probable delay to prospero it could be next

[DuskRaider]

Grave Wardens are Heavy Support.

[Balthamal]

Then off the list they go :)

 

I didn't have the Legion book with me at the time so just reeled off any I could thing of

[TemujinZero]

The best bet would be a tough anvil unit that is normally limited by poor mobility, or something with lots of dakka to contribute to the 1st turn alpha strike that I assume most of us are aiming for.

[Daemon2027]

Just to confirm, pride of the legion does apply to the lernaeans. Page15 of the legiones astartes army list states "this also includes any legion specific terminator squads which are also elites choices"

So that's the justaeran, phoenix guard, deathshroud, grave wardens, red butchers, gorgons, fire drakes, tyrants and lernaeans

Oh, well I emailed forge world, this was their reply:

 

2. The Rite of War - Pride of the Legion, only allows Terminator and Veteran Squads to be taken as troop choices, not any of the named Legion Squads. So Deathguard can't take Deathshroud Terminators, Sons of Horus can't take Justaerin Terminators and Alpha Legion can't take Lernaean Terminators as troop choices with this rite of War

[Balthamal]

 

Just to confirm, pride of the legion does apply to the lernaeans. Page15 of the legiones astartes army list states "this also includes any legion specific terminator squads which are also elites choices"

So that's the justaeran, phoenix guard, deathshroud, grave wardens, red butchers, gorgons, fire drakes, tyrants and lernaeans

Oh, well I emailed forge world, this was their reply:

 

2. The Rite of War - Pride of the Legion, only allows Terminator and Veteran Squads to be taken as troop choices, not any of the named Legion Squads. So Deathguard can't take Deathshroud Terminators, Sons of Horus can't take Justaerin Terminators and Alpha Legion can't take Lernaean Terminators as troop choices with this rite of War

 

I can only assume that whoever replied hasn't read the army list since it sounds pretty black and white in print. Might drop them an email myself for clarification

[Daemon2027]

Yeah its not first time they have given contradictory answers. Is the legion astartes army list the new one that came with the collectors edition? Maybe whoever answered my question hadnt seen it?

[Balthamal]

Yeah it's from the collectors edition. There's other bits and pieces in there too that refer to the trilogy as a whole so it's obviously been specially written with the whole 3 books in mind.

[Daemon2027]

Well I'll be more tempted to go with that, seeing as it was written with all 3 books completed.

[Balthamal]

That was my initial reaction since it's a lot less disjointed than bouncing between all 3

[Adra'Melek]

I'm tempted by Alpha Legion, how would people paint the 'stolen' unit? In Alpha colours ('acquired' the equipment) or painted in the true Legion colours (infiltrated the other Legion)?

[DuskRaider]

I've actually just done a test Alpha Legionnaire, as I intend on throwing together a 2,500 point force. The idea I had was either paint them up in another Legion's scheme, but have the paint chipping to reveal Alpha Legion scheme and heraldry underneath, or just do them in Alpha Legion coloration and armor, but equip them how the other Legion's unit is.

[Adra'Melek]

If you can pul off the chipped paint thing that would look awesome.

 

I'd prefer the 'fluff' of requisitioning others' supplies over the dress up thing so I'd go for the latter if it was me (which it might be one day :))

[Sevatar]

We really need to add Atramentar to that list.

Think how Iron Hands feel. Our iconic Terminator unit and First Captain, not included in the defining battle of the Iron Hands. :( I just hope the Morlocks are included later on, somehow....anyhow, even.

[DuskRaider]

If you can pul off the chipped paint thing that would look awesome.

I'd prefer the 'fluff' of requisitioning others' supplies over the dress up thing so I'd go for the latter if it was me (which it might be one day )

It may be a bit difficult because I do not use an airbrush, but I think I can pull it off anyhow.

[Plague Angel]

I'd paint the stolen unit in its own legion's colors, but have an Alpha-colored "brand" somewhere on their body. It could just as easily be fluffed as Astartes who were converted/brain washed into Alpha operatives as Alpha Legion who snuck into the parent legion.

[Deadlight]

the question is, which unit from the other legions would you choose to use?

[Plague Angel]

I'd just use it as indecision, an excuse to buy all the models from my other favorite legions while still feeling like I'm building up my Alpha Legion army. So probably Night Raptors and whatever Heresy-era Death Company forerunner BA come out with.

[infyrana]

Just to confirm, pride of the legion does apply to the lernaeans. Page15 of the legiones astartes army list states "this also includes any legion specific terminator squads which are also elites choices"

 

So that's the justaeran, phoenix guard, deathshroud, grave wardens, red butchers, gorgons, fire drakes, tyrants and lernaeans

 

What's the Legiones Astartes Army List - page 15?  Sorry to sound a bit dense, is there a book or something I am missing (ie the new set of books recently done by FW) or ?

 

Either way, unless they have changed the words in Massacre, it states something like "Deathshroud may be chosen as Elites choices for a Death Guard Space Marine Legion force...".  This says to me that as long as it's a DG force, sure, they can be elites.  Otherwise, the Deathshroud entry is actually an "HQ" choice.

 

I also e-mailed FW about the Grave Warden and Deathshroud units regarding PotL lists and other bits, and had the same result that they are not Legion Terminator squads so don't come under PotL list viability.

 

I could of course be misreading or otherwise, and afterall, rules can always be changed or re-adjusted when new rules come out that alter things :)

[Balthamal]

It's in the limited edition Legiones Astartes Istvaan Campaign Legions book. It explicitly states that Legion specific Terminator units that are an elites choice (No heavy support/HQ etc) can be taken in a PotL list as troops choices.

 

In some of the other unit entries it also says whether they are scoring or not. Off the top of my head, in the case of the Lernaeans, they are indeed scoring regardless of RoW

[infyrana]

Aye, Deathshroud would also be counted as a Scoring unit too - Implacable Advance.

 

Thank you for the clarification, new book supersedes old content.

 

Though I would imagine it would have some sort of declaration in the book - I'm guessing though, as it's an Isstvan Campaign Legions book, in a fluff based narative game you would probably not be able to use this PotL ruleset if you were doing early crusades ?

[Balthamal]

I wouldn't be surprised to see an FAQ pop up to clarify it, especially since no date has been set to release both the Legion Crusade List or the Specific Legion unit books separately as yet.

 

As for using it early crusade? I'd say yeah. It isn't supposed to be a representation of the Legions exactly as they are at Istvaan (although in the case of the Kakaphoni and Red Butchers it applies) but merely the Legions who WERE there, as in you could do Luna Wolves or Sons of Horus given their list