Dragonlover Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I want to try out the Heresy rules, but I've heard they only really shine in bigger games. How true is this? Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 From my experience it's very well balanced at 1500-1850 points. Less than that and you end up with less flexibility due to expensive troops. More than that and you get to bring lots of toys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3643625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 It is very true. Full core troops cost over 300 each, with some going over 400 and almost 500. So just to have your core legal list is over 700 points. Then most legion unique and support units also cost between 350-450 each. You then have a list with only 5-7 units. This really a problem when you attempt to make a Right of War or fluff based list. If you take less then full units, you lose out of the advantage of squad size (and might as well play 40k). The points costs are also more efficient as the larger squad size. I have found that anything less then 2000 and you cannot compete with a same size 40k list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3643644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 So what would you say is the smallest game you can play and it be worth it? 2500? Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3643863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I regularly play 1500-1750 with a PoTL list, however it is incredibly restrictive - so I'd go for 2500 as minimum and 3000+ as your best bet, you can still play 3000 and not bring 'big toys' if you're inclined to just have a mass engagement without super-heavies or Primarchs etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3643936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Yes, 2500 is the sweet spot for the crusade lists. You have enough room to make your army a true force of a Legion. I have found that anything below 2000 and we all run pretty much the same units just painted different. It may sound like a lot, but my main 2500 list (full jump infantry World Eaters) is only 73 models. I can add a unit or two with a third HQ and be around 3000. Don't get me/use wrong, you can have a 1500/1850 list and still have fun. The issue will be that you will be a little behind the power curve if you mostly play against 40k lists. But as Russ said, you will find it very restrictive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3644006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I like the restrictions at lower levels (1500-1850) at least for 30k in 40k. You have to think hard about what you include and fight for points in a lot of areas. It’s not a top tier book at those levels, but it’s absolutely viable. Troops are expensive, but counterbalanced by relatively cheap (and very plentiful) heavy firepower. Once you get 2-3 scoring troops you can pile in lots of guns for really competitive prices. That’s why I think people feel the list really opens up in higher point games- you can shape your force into something less point economical or use the ceiling to add enough guns to make Tau blush. Form my games of 30k in 40k it breaks down around 2k for that reason- your cheap heavy support begins to outshine other books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3644371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Cool, I can probably cope with that every now and again. I mean, that extra 500 is a Spartan full of guys if necessary. Thanks for the info guys! Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3644420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I think 1000 is really limited, 1500 is viable, and 2k is where it opens up. Part of what I like is that it's hard to have a list that just does everything. You're going to have to focus on one strength, and make tradeoffs in other areas. Even the 'all comers' 1500 list I've been theorycrafting and playtesting for the last six months or whatever has its weakness - I just don't have much of a melee element at all. I either stop the LR/Spartan full of terminators before it reaches me, or it's going to do some massive damage to me as I try to fight it off with tac squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3644548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Beetle Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 1000pts is completely fine, I've played HH at theat level several times. 1500 to 1850 would be my preference simply because more points allows you to not have to make as many hard choices on what to take but still is manageable in a game. The HH books give you tons of options and the higher the points total, the more insanity you can bring but that's not to say you NEED to play at that amount, no more than you need it with a standard 40k codex. That's all the HH books are, really. Well, one Codex (Betrayal) and 2 Supplements (Massacre and Extermination). I'd argue it's the most balanced book GW has. You can match it up against any 40k codex simply because there are so many choices you can field any type of army you can think of for any type of 40k opponent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289087-viability-at-less-than-2000-points/#findComment-3648721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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