Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Which legion is the least known or renown? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Tied between the II and XI. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3644961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyprojects Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons were the least respected in terms of their military ability. Te thousand sons were considered to be almost cowardly, and the Alpha Legion's help was received with reluctance by imperial forces as you could never really be sure what they would do... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3644964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 According to Scars, pretty much nobody gave any thought to the White Scars at all. Jaghatai complains about "a throneworld that only now remembers that it has 18 Legions not 17", a Word Bearer doesn't actually recognise one of the WS Librarians at one point, and they're said to have spent so much time on the outskirts that they weren't thought of often. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3644973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The Thousand Sons weren't that badly regarded were they? As far as I remember they brought their fair share of worlds into compliance after regaining their strength post-magnus. They were cautious to openly use their powers around their brother legions though since they'd probably dislike it. (they finally felt free when Russ attacked Prospero though, being able to use their powers to full effect) The Alpha Legion was probably if not the, at least one of the least regarded legions. They were the youngest, they were mysterious and nobody liked dealing with them. The imperial commanders wished to have another legion on Nurth instead of them because of their lack of history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3644976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The Thousand Sons weren't that badly regarded were they? As far as I remember they brought their fair share of worlds into compliance after regaining their strength post-magnus. They were cautious to openly use their powers around their brother legions though since they'd probably dislike it. (they finally felt free when Russ attacked Prospero though, being able to use their powers to full effect) The Alpha Legion was probably if not the, at least one of the least regarded legions. They were the youngest, they were mysterious and nobody liked dealing with them. The imperial commanders wished to have another legion on Nurth instead of them because of their lack of history. The Thousand Sons were well-known. Especially after Nikea. One might say they were famous. Or rather, infamous. And they were obviously a hit with the remembrancers pre-Nikea since getting a commission with them was considered something to be happy about for xenoarchaelogists and the such. No, I'd say the reputation of being least renown would go to the Alpha Legion. They were new and IIRC Legion correctly, their victories weren't too widely known and as a result, were looked down upon by even Army commanders. Probably why they had no problem killing everyone at the end of the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3644994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyprojects Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The impression that I got about the thousand sons was that they were not well respected by either other astartes or the imperium at large who could not understand the knowledge and gifts that the legion possessed. There were exception to this rule, but can other chaos legions didn't like them. Look how happy khan was to see members o the thousand sons when he was sent to prospero. Openly called them cowards Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyprojects Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 But I'd agree that the Alpha Legion is almost certainly the least well regarded legion. Although people tended to forget the White Scars, when thy did notice them they acknowledged that they were 'true' astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Well, I think my opinion on who is the least renowned is based on the definition of the word: talked about a lot. So to me, that would kick out Legions like the World Eaters and Night Lords who are well-renowned, but in a bad way. And Legions like the Sons of Horus and the Ultramarines who were/are well-renowned in a good way. Which really just leaves the Alpha Legion and White Scars. Honestly, the only "outside of the Legion" source I can think of that talked about the White Scars was the Custodes in Sword of Truth who said he was impressed by the White Scars in the Blood Games, which to me speaks of a certain renown, even if ti is just within the Custodes. But I don't know if there is anything else on what the Imperium does or does not think of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Well, I think my opinion on who is the least renowned is based on the definition of the word: talked about a lot. So to me, that would kick out Legions like the World Eaters and Night Lords who are well-renowned, but in a bad way. And Legions like the Sons of Horus and the Ultramarines who were/are well-renowned in a good way. Which really just leaves the Alpha Legion and White Scars. Honestly, the only "outside of the Legion" source I can think of that talked about the White Scars was the Custodes in Sword of Truth who said he was impressed by the White Scars in the Blood Games, which to me speaks of a certain renown, even if ti is just within the Custodes. But I don't know if there is anything else on what the Imperium does or does not think of them. I agree with this, but as a continuation, it also depends upon with who we are talking about. Every Legion, and I would say the Custodes as well, holds all others to have renown, and each would have their own ideas on who has the least, with the only common ground being that none of them would think of themselves as such. But if we are speaking of the greater Imperium, then my previous remark is hands down the most accurate. If we are removing them from the equation, then I would concur with the White Scars and Alpha Legion. But it also depends on when. If this is after Alpharius Omegon is found, then it might be the White Scars. Before, the Alpha Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'd probably say, in fact, that the Alpha Legion were the worst regarded, but the White Scars were the least known or renowned - they were just seen as forgettable, while at least the Alphas were notable in how the others disliked them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I don't recall reading anything about a great dislike for the XX. Is that something from Extermination? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I don't recall reading anything about a great dislike for the XX. Is that something from Extermination? All I recall is that in Legion, the Imperial Army commander didn't like their lack of reputation. IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I don't recall reading anything about a great dislike for the XX. Is that something from Extermination? All I recall is that in Legion, the Imperial Army commander didn't like their lack of reputation. IIRC. That was what I was thinking about too. They were an unknown variable, which irritated the Commander because he wanted a more reliable Legion. Reliable in that he actually knew something about them and could plan around it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I remember this passage from The First Heretic where Ishaq Kadeen and other remembrancers are assigned to various fleets. '"Who were you posted to?" he asked the girl next to him. "The 277'th" "Blood Angels?" "Raven Guard." He have her a pitying smile...' Perhaps this is just Ishaq's opinion on the Raven Guard. But right before on the same page, he explains how the Word Bearers are awesome because of all they have conquered and because of their known victories. So perhaps he shows a general tendency towards the Raven Guard and perhaps they weren't kept in as high regard as the other Legions. Though I strongly doubt that they were regarded as badly as the Alpha Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 It could be less related to the Legion's overall image and more specific to the Remembrancers. Like maybe the XIX were a well renowned Legion, but notable as having a poor outlook on Remembrancers or for not bring the more approachable for interviews, portraits, etc etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Exactly. There are many unknown factors. That's why I would also say that the Alpha Legion is the worst regarded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The section from the First Heretic, I'd say, probably simply refers to the Raven Guard not being one of the "glory Legions" like the Ultramarines or the Sons of Horus. They're not exactly disliked or disregarded, they're just not in the top five. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 There's a little scene in the Outcast dead I believe where there's an image or something on a wall of all the heroic legions like the fists and ultramarines and I think the Iron Warriors have insulting graffiti all over them, mocking them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piano_Sam Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Guilliman had no use for Alpharius, according to Unremembered Empire Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Wouldn't the II and the XI be the least known/renowned/regarded??? ;) Guilliman had no use for Alpharius, according to Unremembered Empire It's never been a well hidden secret that Alpharius and Guilliman did not get along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 The legion with the least amount of sworn brothers and fellow warriors on the ally chart ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 My vote goes for the Scars as well, hell even I keep forgetting they're a part of the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 The legion with the least amount of sworn brothers and fellow warriors on the ally chart Alpha Legion wins by one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Night Lords, Death Guard, and Iron Warriors are close though aren't they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289156-the-least-renown-legion/#findComment-3645383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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