AGPO Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I've been planning my purchases for a heresy army for a while now and reckon I'm ready to take the plunge, but I've no idea when the legions I want to play (Blood Angels and Scars) are going to be released. I want to base my unit markings etc on what's in the books so I'd rather do a legion that's had a full release. Has FW given even a rough idea on the order we can exepct to see the legions coming out? I hope that we'll see these two legions before the Seige, but I really want to know whether or not to hold off. If it's years away I figure I'll start on something else like Fists or Sons of Horus, whilst if they're due next year I'll bank the money and splurge later on. Any info appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Lucian Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Last I heard, they were slowing down the book releases. I think that TS and SW are the next book. Anyway Scars and BA seem to be something like 1 1/2 year in the distance at least. As far as I know, might be longer but I doubt it will be earlier^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Going off of current releases and comments made at the game day and weekenders, they are shooting for two books a year. One around apr/may and the other around August. The latest I have heard is that Prospero (Tsons, wolves, and custodes) is being pushed to book 5 and Calth (Ultramarine and other that escape me) is taking its place. Read though the gameday threads for details. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Last I heard, they were slowing down the book releases. I think that TS and SW are the next book. Anyway Scars and BA seem to be something like 1 1/2 year in the distance at least. As far as I know, might be longer but I doubt it will be earlier^^ At last years GD they said the opposite, 2 books a year. The Prosperor book has been pushed back, due to issues balancing the thousand sons correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Going off of current releases and comments made at the game day and weekenders, they are shooting for two books a year. One around apr/may and the other around August. The latest I have heard is that Prospero (Tsons, wolves, and custodes) is being pushed to book 5 and Calth (Ultramarine and other that escape me) is taking its place. Read though the gameday threads for details. It's a bit of a bummer to hear that many of the Legions a lot of people are interested in modeling are still so far out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Two books a year will probably be too break neck of a pace for them. At GD of last year they had planned to have Extermination out in March, but it won't be out until May. It didn't even go to the printers until late January/Early Feb IIRC. Prospero is going to require too many units (model wise and rules wise) to be done so they had mentioned moving the release around a bit or just forging ahead with Prospero and not give a :cuss when it comes out. Prospero will require rules and models for Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Adeptus Custodes, and Sisters of Silence. Since the Space Wolves nor the Thousand Sons can really be said to follow the standard Legion format like everyone else and the addition of 2 special units, 2 characters, and a Primarch wouldn't be enough, given the Thousand Sons are an army of psykers and the Space Wolves will need to have every single unit they use renamed or their fans would throw a hissy fit. The Adeptus Custodes and Sister of Silence can't be spread out over the next three books because the Dark Mechanicum and Imperial Army will be getting page time too, and neither the Custodes or the Sisters would need an extensive army list, but they would need extensive model releases, as many as the Mechanicum and on a shorter time table. I'd wager Calth is next. Ultramarines are popular and only need the 2 Special Units, 2 Characters (Ventanus and Gage most likely), and Primarch since the Word Bearers are done. I'm guessing their special units will be the Varangii Guard from the John Blanche art and maybe Invictus Terminators. We will probably see the release of the Mastodon and Thunderstrike too. The Word Bearers might get the next 'evolution' of their downward spiral with some expanded rules for integrating Daemons directly into the army. If Calth isn't next though, and its the Blood Angels and Dark Angels book, that would be a good day since both armies will be very popular the minute the first rumors about them drop and I won't have to wait so long to do my Blood Angels allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Cheers for the info guys. TBH I'm a bit bummed about Calth, as the only new legion covered is going to be Ultramarines. Prospero would have been great (I can't wait to see FW's take on the Wolves) but at least if FW stick to their release schedule we should see them within a year. That would mean only three legions left to cover: Scars, Blood Angels and Dark Angels. I imagine Scars would be difficult to do pre-Seige as so far as I can recall they headed straight back to Terra (haven't read Scars yet so this may not be true) Dark Angels vs. Night Lords is a possibility but Night Lords have had a fair bit of attention already. I would imagine Blood Angels will be next, probably with a Signus Prime book as that would give some attention to Daemons too. Alternatively I wouldn't put it past FW to do something completely off piste like a book focusing on the Imperial Army, Mechanicus or even the Imperial Navy. So yeah, unless I hear differently I'm gonna work on the basis that I'll see something in roughly a year and a half to two years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I will bet that they do Calth next. All it would require is Ultramarine units who don't differ to much from the norm, an extra unit (hopefully Vakrah Jal) and a couple new rules for Word Bearers and Imperial Army who should be easy to do given FW's extensive IG range. But I would be glad to be proved wrong. My only question is which book will the White Scars be rolled into. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 "Homebrew" Blood Angels are doable in the meantime. You can start building up your army with Assault squads and generic Praetors/Consuls. For gaming, ask your opponent if he's okay with Legiones Astartes (Blood Angels) giving Red Thirst and Descent of Angels for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I read one rumour here that the Calth book would also include the Imperial Army. Which made sense to me as the only Legion they could do would be the XIII (unless they're going to fold Calth together with Signus, in a similar way to Extermination covering three different stories). Either way, wouldn't replacing Prospero with Calth put them in the same bind, as the Army would need its entire range/rules done, just like the Custodes/Sisters? If anything the Army would be more complex, as we only see basic infantry of the Custodes/Sisters in Prospero Burns, each organisation could get away with one kit and one unit that can be added to any Loyalist Legion/Heresy era army list. Two books a year will probably be too break neck of a pace for them. At GD of last year they had planned to have Extermination out in March, but it won't be out until May. It didn't even go to the printers until late January/Early Feb IIRC. Prospero is going to require too many units (model wise and rules wise) to be done so they had mentioned moving the release around a bit or just forging ahead with Prospero and not give a when it comes out. Prospero will require rules and models for Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Adeptus Custodes, and Sisters of Silence. Since the Space Wolves nor the Thousand Sons can really be said to follow the standard Legion format like everyone else and the addition of 2 special units, 2 characters, and a Primarch wouldn't be enough, given the Thousand Sons are an army of psykers and the Space Wolves will need to have every single unit they use renamed or their fans would throw a hissy fit. The Adeptus Custodes and Sister of Silence can't be spread out over the next three books because the Dark Mechanicum and Imperial Army will be getting page time too, and neither the Custodes or the Sisters would need an extensive army list, but they would need extensive model releases, as many as the Mechanicum and on a shorter time table. Why would they need to rename everything in the Wolves Legion List? PB made it pretty clear that the Claw/Hunter/Fang progression of 40k doesn't exist yet. Plus the lack of WS/BS3 Scout-esque units in the normal Legion list would make it strange for Blood Claws as we know them to appear. Beside even if they did, renaming units would most likely be a purely cosmetic thing, and so wouldn't consume a lot of time thinking up some appropriate names. As far as models go, they just need to do conversion packs, like they are already doing for other Legions. Throw in the couple of unique units (I assume Wulfen and something else) and Russ himself and you're golden. Don't know about the Sons, kind of depends how far they allow themselves to diverge with the Legion rules. If they allow an army-wide points hike, then I can see brotherhood of psykers being a Sons trait. But again, they would need many more models. They were still guys in Power Armour with Bolters. Like the Wolves, they would just need their conversion packs, unique units and Primarch, just like all the other Legions. As much as I'd like to see a unique VI Legion list (and as a massive Wolves fan, I sooooo would), I don't see it as likely or necessary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I thought it was Signus that had been brought forwards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalonZahn Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I also thought from words on the wind that it was: Signus Calth Prospero They only have 6 Legions left and should easily get them in the next 3 books. Oddly enough, this is the same discussion on Dakka as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Adding in Army, Custodes, and Sisters brings it up to 9. So they could do 3 or 4 armies per book for three more books. But as stated, those are probably full lists and not just Legion special rules sections. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Also remember that the book covering Signus will require FW's to release the daemons army list as well. I would wager that Calth is the next major battle to be covered. The Ultramarines will require few dedicated models. We might see a few special models released for the Word Bearers as well. I, for one, am interested to see what FW does with the Imperial Army. I mean, they already have an excellent line of IG models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 "Homebrew" Blood Angels are doable in the meantime. You can start building up your army with Assault squads and generic Praetors/Consuls. For gaming, ask your opponent if he's okay with Legiones Astartes (Blood Angels) giving Red Thirst and Descent of Angels for now. The thing is I'm a sad fluff geek who likes to get all my markings right when it comes to my armies. That means I feel like I need to know whether the Blood Angels coloured helmet markings were around at the time, and if so whether breacher squads were classed as tacticals or assault, what colours support squads, seekers, recon and destroyers wore etc. Also, did heresy era Angels carry the black trim of early editions or the solid red of 6th ed? What replaces the coloured blood drop company markings and so on and so forth. It's not easy being a massive fluff pedant... I will bet that they do Calth next. All it would require is Ultramarine units who don't differ to much from the norm, an extra unit (hopefully Vakrah Jal) and a couple new rules for Word Bearers and Imperial Army who should be easy to do given FW's extensive IG range. But I would be glad to be proved wrong. My only question is which book will the White Scars be rolled into. If they do Calth I daresay they'll do Imperial Army with it, but I'd expect them to resemble a Guard variant list in terms of organiasation if not minis. I'd imagine most pople will proxy Guard minis for IA anyway. I read one rumour here that the Calth book would also include the Imperial Army. Which made sense to me as the only Legion they could do would be the XIII (unless they're going to fold Calth together with Signus, in a similar way to Extermination covering three different stories). Either way, wouldn't replacing Prospero with Calth put them in the same bind, as the Army would need its entire range/rules done, just like the Custodes/Sisters? If anything the Army would be more complex, as we only see basic infantry of the Custodes/Sisters in Prospero Burns, each organisation could get away with one kit and one unit that can be added to any Loyalist Legion/Heresy era army list. Why would they need to rename everything in the Wolves Legion List? PB made it pretty clear that the Claw/Hunter/Fang progression of 40k doesn't exist yet. Plus the lack of WS/BS3 Scout-esque units in the normal Legion list would make it strange for Blood Claws as we know them to appear. Beside even if they did, renaming units would most likely be a purely cosmetic thing, and so wouldn't consume a lot of time thinking up some appropriate names. As far as models go, they just need to do conversion packs, like they are already doing for other Legions. Throw in the couple of unique units (I assume Wulfen and something else) and Russ himself and you're golden. Don't know about the Sons, kind of depends how far they allow themselves to diverge with the Legion rules. If they allow an army-wide points hike, then I can see brotherhood of psykers being a Sons trait. But again, they would need many more models. They were still guys in Power Armour with Bolters. Like the Wolves, they would just need their conversion packs, unique units and Primarch, just like all the other Legions. As much as I'd like to see a unique VI Legion list (and as a massive Wolves fan, I sooooo would), I don't see it as likely or necessary. I agree on the Wolves. I've always thought they should take this approach with all loyalist 40k chapters anyway. One codex that can be kept up to date easily and alow everyone to have the most recent releases, with a few apendicies to cover one or two special rules and units for special chapters. For Thousand Sons I'd like to see something more special given the importance of psykers to their operations. That said you could always go with the option to upgrade sergeants to low level psykers with appropriate squad boosting powers, whilst the special units could focus on units made up entirely of psychic warriors. As for the Imperial Army, I can see large parts of that list such as vehicles being lifted wholesale from the Imperial Guard book, and there'd be plenty of minis available to proxy whilst we waited for a full range over the course of several books. I thought it was Signus that had been brought forwards. I would really love it if this were true! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalonZahn Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I've read several thoughts on the Calth book containing the IG as well. Somewhere, I'll try to find it, FW said they won't be doing anything special for IG out of the gate. I'd imagine any IG stuff will be at most Torso/head upgrades with the intent of people using GW IG minis for most of the army. [Edit] About 5 posts down.http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1770/574064.page Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yeah battle of prospero would be a massive amount of work if done right. If you are itching to at least get the base colour scheme you can go here: http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/horus-heresy-exclusive-posters-revealed.html FW so far have largely stayed true to these posters. Say look at the Imperial fists, who have only just come out. Image from poster: http://i.imgur.com/WhLee6H.jpg Image for book 3: http://i.imgur.com/n8l8yG6.jpg So regarding BA and WS someone on wikia has some cleaned up versions.. So BA can expect: http://i.imgur.com/cc2k6Hg.jpg And WS should be: http://i.imgur.com/H96l9Su.jpg If your heart desires you could make a start with these as a guide. Or simply paint the marines but leave the insignia off for now. That is if the traitors don't call you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Isn't signus Sarum aswell? So that would be DA BA some WE dark mech admech and Deamons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 From.comments at the open day, another book this year is at the far end of optimistic. Prospero was slated to be the next book however given the content for it (Wolves, Thousand Sons, Sisters of Silence and Legio Custodes) is not even at a design stage yet and given the unique nature of the 4 factions above, it's going to be a very long process. Bear in mind that the FW writers are a different breed to the design studio guys. They won't green light anything for release until everything is 100% solid across the board. In the meantime don't be surprised if the rumoured Blood Angels/Dark Angels volume gets the jump on it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Totally fine with me. I don't know if the Dark Angels tickle my fancy enough for an army of them but Blood Angels have Ben integral to my plans since day 1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3652886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I would love for Blood Angels or Dark Angels were released early. Their Special Units.... and the rules for the Lion and Sangunius...yum. Hopefully they will top tier in terms of combat ability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3653744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Both will definitely be top tier HtH fighters. Sanguinius will probably be a little less potent than Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3653858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I dunno. I reckon the Lion and Sangunius will both have the Statline of Horus. I expect them to be on the same level to be honest. Russ should be savage, but I am wondering how to implement the Khan. Something like Fulgrim, maybe S7 and preferred enemy to represent how he studies everyone (read Scars) the Khan is meant to be lethal in combat, and was certainly beating you know who....before he played the Isstvan trick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3653883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Marshal2 Crusaders, on 14 Apr 2014 - 20:20, said: I'd wager Calth is next. Ultramarines are popular and only need the 2 Special Units, 2 Characters (Ventanus and Gage most likely), and Primarch since the Word Bearers are done. Gage and Ventanus would surely both be variations on the Praetor? I'd rather see Ventanus as HQ and Thiel as a squad upgrade character. They both had more page space than Gage. If you wanted a character based on rank rather than word count I'd rather see the option to take one of the Tetrachs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3653948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalonZahn Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I'm less concerned about stats for Sang, than the model. The other Primarchs have been pretty good with one really awesome and one not too hot. For me it comes down to the wings and how they are positioned. I'd like to see an aggressive pose, not one where he's just standing around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289567-timeframe-on-the-remaining-legions/#findComment-3653953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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